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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-01-29 06:44 pm

[ SECRET POST #2584 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2584 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.
[Danball Senki Wars]


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02.
[Harry Potter]


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03.
[Burn Notice]


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04.
[The Island of Doctor Moreau]


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05.
[Papers, Please]


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06.
[Star Trek: The Next Generation]


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07.
[Pretty Little Liars]


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08.
[KILL LA KILL]


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09.
[Labyrinth, The Hobbit]

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10.
[The Hobbit]


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11.
[The Hobbit]


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12.
[The Kiss of the Spider Woman]














Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 029 secrets from Secret Submission Post #369.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Re: Feminism MRA and Men

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2014-01-30 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
We really don't do as much as we could when it comes to lobbying for things that would enhance the social perception of, say, men in childrearing positions. For example, paternity leave or changes to laws that default custody of children to the mother.

Or, think about disparity in women and men's sexual health awareness over the past few decades. HPV causes cancer in men as well, but there was no vaccine subsidy for men until last year. It's a long rant, but things like that serve to enhance the perception that men are expendable as much as disparate policies for front line combat between male and female soldiers do.

Not focusing on issues like that is the reason MRAs have gained a foothold. And that is not okay with me. If that's going to be reversed, feminists need to understand right now that just hoping that feminism helps men indirectly is not enough.

Re: Feminism MRA and Men

(Anonymous) 2014-01-30 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
Are you trying to imply men will only care about women's rights if feminists bribe them into it? Because that is what it sounds like. If men are so concerned about these issues they should address them. Not demand feminists do so or form thinly veiled feminist hate groups.

Re: Feminism MRA and Men

(Anonymous) 2014-01-30 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
I think what he's trying to say is that if a movement claims to stand for equality, a lot of people - men and women alike - aren't going to believe them until they do fight for equality from all angles. That's why the backlash against ciswhiteupperclassfeminism and anti-trans-feminism exists even from within the movement.

Re: Feminism MRA and Men

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2014-01-30 03:46 am (UTC)(link)
And the prize for reading comprehension goes to: this anon! Take a bow, anon.

Re: Feminism MRA and Men

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2014-01-30 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
No. That's not what I've been saying for comments upon comments now, but if you haven't gotten my point I can only assume you're trolling.

And it's a weak troll, so 2/10.

Re: Feminism MRA and Men

(Anonymous) 2014-01-30 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
Ah... okay, maybe I actually mostly agree with you? I kind of would already think of things like that as feminist issues. Like, if women don't have to be the ones taking care of the kids, it seems like it should stand to reason that it's just as fine for men to be taking care of kids. Two sides of the same coin.

Re: Feminism MRA and Men

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2014-01-30 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
They completely are feminist issues, but they tend not to get as much attention as other feminist issues, which is something that I believe needs to change (and something that is steadily changing as more men become vocal feminists and more women embrace the idea of fighting inequality on all fronts).

Re: Feminism MRA and Men

(Anonymous) 2014-01-30 06:23 am (UTC)(link)
OP of this post replying to one of your comments more or less at random:

Thank you. You're not alone in being reasonable, rational, and mature in this topic, but you are consistently presenting as the kind of person I try to be. I think we understand each other.