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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-01-29 06:44 pm

[ SECRET POST #2584 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2584 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.
[Danball Senki Wars]


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02.
[Harry Potter]


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03.
[Burn Notice]


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04.
[The Island of Doctor Moreau]


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05.
[Papers, Please]


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06.
[Star Trek: The Next Generation]


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07.
[Pretty Little Liars]


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08.
[KILL LA KILL]


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09.
[Labyrinth, The Hobbit]

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10.
[The Hobbit]


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11.
[The Hobbit]


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12.
[The Kiss of the Spider Woman]














Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 029 secrets from Secret Submission Post #369.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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Re: Feminism MRA and Men

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2014-01-30 04:19 am (UTC)(link)
For me, the draft is one of the funniest arguments MRAs can ever bring up around me. They try to use it as a symbol of how men get the short end of the stick there, and they expect me to get all defensive about it and have no clue what to do when I agree that the draft should be equal (in that either everyone should get drafted or - more preferably - no one should). I would think more feminists would go through the effort of explaining how the male-only draft is also the result of patriarchy, but considering how completely flummoxed these guys often end up, apparently not.

Re: Feminism MRA and Men

(Anonymous) 2014-01-30 05:01 am (UTC)(link)
And I certainly get that the male-only draft is a result of "women can't be soldiers." Every advancement women make in the military, there's a hugely vocal group of anti-women men (and women, for that matter) that make it known how weak and incapable they think women are.

But I feel that, though that's true, men are still the victims of the draft. They are still, in this case, disadvantaged because of their gender. Whether we say it stems solely from the fact that women are believed to be weak, OR solely from the fact that men are expected to be macho and risk themselves... well, frankly, I'm not sure why we can't admit it's both, because it obviously is? My point is that I'm not saying elements of patriarchy and misogyny are not at play in virtually any gender issue, but gender stereotypes affect men negatively, too.

And it bothers me that some feminists try to make every problem men face, simply about how much men suck for contributing to a patriarchy or something. I say this as a woman and a feminist: society is sexist and mostly puts down women, but sexism affects men, too, and the goal of feminism should be eliminating all gender inequality. (Of course I am bothered more by men who try to claim their problems are as great as women's, but I'm assuming we're all basically feminists here)