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⌈ Secret Post #2588 ⌋

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It was initially confusing. $1/month isn't that much... but I don't know how someone is suppose to feed themselves off that when they only have 20 or so people signed up for it.

I don't know if you read the comic, but the artist has been redrawing pages of her comic because she improved over the years. It's something she does on her own time, because she's coming out with a novel.

Initially I assumed that the redrawn archive would be what people are getting special access to a week earlier. It's not something extra she'd be doing, and she wouldn't run the risk of people like the OP who seem incredibly angry at this.

She might have more people signed up? Or they might be giving her more than a dollar?

If she's redrawing those pages for a novel then no, she definitely wouldn't be publishing those online in a special archive or charging a dollar to see those pages.

Firstly, because publishers tend to prefer that the stuff they publish and charge people to own not be free on the internet.

And secondly, it's still extra effort in the putting stuff out sense. She'd have to get two things out on time (new comic and redrawn comic) instead of just one thing out on time (new comic.) Plus, the base of people willing to pay to see things that they've already seen would be much smaller than the base of people who'll pay to see something new a week earlier than the free accounts.

I don't read the comic but I'm interested given the level of OP's vitriol and angst over it. What is it?

Honestly? It's just a webcomic. That's about it.

Granted, it's a well drawn webcomic, and soon will be a published book (she held a kickstarter that raised over $11000). But it's still just a webcomic.

I think OPs anger stems from what they perceived from the artists words. For a long time now she's restated that the comic will never become something you have to pay for. I think she had a donate button, which, if you wanted to, you could donate. It wasn't a requisite for anything, and you didn't get anything from it.

If I take away the vitriol and angst from OPs statement, I'm left thinking that this person considers that this is only the first step towards a pay-to-view, which is something they were told was never going to happen.

I'm disappointed myself, but I'm not going to be angry about it. It's like what happened with Gaia Online. They always said they would never be pay to play, but then they implemented special things that you could use real money to get. Then they re-released the Angelic Halo (something they promised to never do), for I believe $1000 real money. So yes, while the site itself is still free, compared to all the new things they've added which require 'cash', the experience is lessened.

I'm not saying that this will happen, but I can understand why the OP would be worried. Then again, I also believe that a lot of seemingly troll secrets are just 'heat of the moment' secrets. Once you hit submit, it's a bit hard to take it back. Like, if I made a secret after watching an episode of something with a cliff hanger ending. I make a ranting and raving post about it, only to see that the next episode everything gets cleared up. I'd look like a shmuck, but only because I made a heat of the moment secret, getting out some frustrations.

About the novel, everyone can already see all the newly drawn pages. She isn't hiding them, or keeping them a secret. When she's done with one, she posts it in her archives. I personally wouldn't mind if it became an archive I could only be accessible through a donation. But that's just my opinion.

While the OP seemed out of line and rude, the comments they received for a secret were just as rude. Unless they are actively trashing the artist everywhere, and complaining to everyone they meet, then it's just a secret. Sometimes secrets show a very definite ugly side.

I mean, when Heath Ledger died, how many people do you think were secretly hoping he had finished filming Batman? How many people are secretly wondering just how much of Mockingjay got filmed with Philip Seymour Hoffman before he died?

Well, I've rambled on far too long. I'm going to go back to work on coughing up my lung. Wish me luck.

The artist may have started out with a certain set of ideals or, alternatively, was experimenting to see if people would just donate for a quality product. She didn't get what she needed or her circumstances changed so she slightly modified her policy. That's understandable, especially since she's under no obligation to give her work product away for free. I hardly think waiting a week to see a free webcomic is lessening a reader's experience, much less comparable to Gaia Online.

Regardless of her feelings or attachments, OP isn't entitled to this artist's efforts. (And regardless of how hot her feelings were burning when she wrote that secret, it comes off as feeling entitled to a toy rather than worried about losing access to it.) Having to wait a week, which is fairly short and seems to be standard even on television episode sites, is nothing. Having to pay a nominal fee to see, which is the traditional model for artistic endeavors, hardly seems beyond the pale either.

Aaaahhh... I assumed a traditional publisher! My mistake! (But still, charging only to see the redrawn archive would only be hitting a fraction of her potential market. Worse, it's hitting a less viable part of it than the webcomic, which is not being held hostage despite OP's claims.)

For what it's worth, I didn't worry about either of those things when those actors died. It didn't even occur to me.

(Feel better soon!)

Trying Human is... okay. One of the storylines involves a gay romance between an alien and a human boy, and I like that. But the other main storylines are kind of... weird. I'm dubious about the treatment of the main female characters, and the heterosexual romances are kind of skeevy, but I don't think the author intends that? I dunno, it's like the main female characters are prizes being fought over by various males characters with very little agency of their own. And the fact that the artist likes to do additional art of them naked and in various vulnerable states, or being molested and such like it's funny doesn't really help much.

So yeah, mixed feelings, leaning to negative.

Thanks so much for the info!

Yeah, that might not be my cup of tea. I'm cool with skeevy relationships in fiction if they're meant to be skeevy. If they're not, it's a lot harder to hook me.

But again! Thanks for naming the comic and giving me a quick idea of what it's about!

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