[ SECRET POST #2591 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2591 ⌋

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Comments

[diet_poison]

Ironically you seem to be missing the point that much of erotica caters to one specific taste (i.e. maledom) and it would furthermore be pretty naive to assume that that (especially combined with tropes that many people find creepy, old stereotypes, and rigid gender roles in relationships) doesn't have maybe something to do with sexism in the genre.

[inevitableentresol]

Now you've pointed out that most of mainstream erotica caters to only one single kink, maledom, I don't know why I didn't see it before.

The variety of kink in fanfic is far greater. That explains why I love fanfic yet hate mainstream erotica, because maledom is so not my kink.

So simple yet I never got it before.

[diet_poison]

I honestly cannot tell if you're being sarcastic.

[inevitableentresol]

100% not sarcastic.

For ages I wondered why I found mainstream romance/erotica novels so offputting yet I love shippy fanfiction, and even the crazily romantic ones. I thought romance was just not my thing until I discovered fanfic.

I'm just slow to catch on.

Mainstream romance novels mostly play into a kink I'm just not into. Simple.

[diet_poison]

ah, ok. I don't think you're slow! Sometimes it takes me ages to catch onto things that are obvious for other people. I just wasn't sure since sarcasm is rife here and my Internet Sarcasm Detector isn't 100% foolproof.

I completely agree with you, btw. Maledom is Really Not My Kink. (If it can be called a kink? I think of it as just a particular power dynamic. but either way.) Fanfiction is absolutely more diverse in terms of both kinks and general relationship dynamics, including within het relationships.

I won't be surprised if the erotica genre really starts changing soon, since I think the biggest reason maledom is so popular is because, let's face it, it fits stereotypical and patriarchal gender roles.* However, lots of women (and men) know that's not what they really want and our views as a society are changing - not to mention the rising popularity of fanfiction and the fact that people are realizing, hey, I'm really not the only one who feels this way/prefers this kink/etc.!

*not to bash on those who do like maledom! But it's not just a standalone kink, it has context and baggage, and there's a reason it's always written. What people are upset with here isn't the fact that maledom gets some people off, it's the fact that it's treated like What All Women Really Want in erotica and in culture in general and that's very limiting, not to mention pretty creepy.

sorry for like a bazillion edits

[inevitableentresol]

I think the erotica genre is definitely going to change. More slash aimed at women, for example. I think that was one of those things no one saw coming.

These days I see published erotica authors on their blogs admitting to loving slash fanfic as their 'guilty, finished writing this book treat', even though they themselves still write m/f - or at least currently. The market still has to grow.

I had another think about this subject, and it's not actually maledom I don't like. It's femsub. Just that femsub goes hand in hand with maledom in the mainstream erotica/romance genre.

I don't mind maledom if it's m/m. But I hate femsub even in f/f. So it's the femsub that turns me off.

There's just something too tiresome and cliched about a woman being subjugated, even for sexytimes purposes. It's not a conscious thing. More a reflexive - urrgh!

Also, I'm not bashing anyone who likes maledom/femsub. It's obviously still the most popular kink.

But it is the reason that I didn't go near the romance genre for about 25 years after one brief toe dip in the water. I thought that was all there was.

Instead, I turned to scifi and other genre fiction - which in the UK at least, is full of allegories for non-mainstream sexuality. I'm pretty sure that's not just a co-incidence.

[diet_poison]

I think maledom is definitely what bothers me more about the equation, but I haven't read much smut/erotica at all. It's just power dynamics in general.

Definitely agree with your comment.

[inevitableentresol]

Also, a friend just loaned me a romance/erotica novel (Wild Card by Lora Leigh) and I thought - oh, these books probably have changed, and I love explicit fanfic, this'll be fun.

But it was horrible. So not my kink. I'll never try to make myself read these type of stories again now I've understood why.