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⌈ Secret Post #2594 ⌋

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[fscom]

09. http://i57.tinypic.com/14kuph2.png

[(Anonymous)]

I ... hadn't realised they were? So far I'd thought the intimidation factor was spread fairly evenly between the three musketeers (and even d'Artagnan when he was on his vengeance kick, and when he was stalking Vadim). The one time they've done deliberate scare tactics as part of an interrogation, it was Aramis doing the terrifying, with Porthos as back-up.

Episode three was slightly different, of course, but then again in episode three Porthos had an extremely personal reason for hating Bonnaire's guts and spending considerable time looking like he wanted to kill him.

If you just mean the more 'physically big and scary' thing, Porthos was always the biggest and most physically intimidating of them, Aramis is usually the ice-cold and erudite type of scary, and Athos is the one you think might randomly slaughter people in a drunken stupor in the throes of guilt/madness/grief.

[(Anonymous)]

For one thing, I don't feel they are making him any more intimidating than the others. For another, it's Porthos. He's always portrayed as big, burly and ready for a fight. They just happened to make him a black character. And it's people like you who'd be the first to bitch if there was no black character so yeah, I do think you're just looking for SOMETHING to complain about.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Er. Was this directed at me?

[(Anonymous)]

Haven't seen the show yet (looks good), and given your description of Porthos on the regular (I'm guessing in the book/ movies of the book), that's just the way he is. So I get where you're coming from on one part...

...But what I think the OP was trying to say is just that OF COURSE they're putting the black guy as "X" trope. Actors of color are often pigeonholed into certain roles. It's great to see someone of color on screen, it's just annoying that we have to be a [fill in stereotype] character (that often lacks depth and does not get fleshed out).

That said, if that's just the character, I'm assuming the casting directors felt this particular actor does it best, not because "Oh he's black, let's have him do this character."

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

But what I think the OP was trying to say is just that OF COURSE they're putting the black guy as "X" trope. Actors of color are often pigeonholed into certain roles. It's great to see someone of color on screen, it's just annoying that we have to be a [fill in stereotype] character (that often lacks depth and does not get fleshed out).

Yeah, I can see that. I'm not sure how much it holds up in this case, though. Admittedly, Porthos is often considered the simplest/least interesting of the Musketeers, because he lacks Athos' tragic backstory or Aramis' scheming. However, he is one of the four main characters and one of the title characters, which makes a nice change, and in this adaptation, though we're only three episodes in, he's been getting backstory and some fascinating interactions with the others (particularly Aramis).

That said, if that's just the character, I'm assuming the casting directors felt this particular actor does it best, not because "Oh he's black, let's have him do this character."

Hmm. There may have been a degree of consideration in that, of the originals, Porthos and possibly Aramis are the easiest to justify historically. Athos is difficult because he's the Comte de la Fere, landed gentry, which would be difficult to justify (though perhaps not impossible - my 17th century French history isn't the best). d'Artagnan is a pure blooded Gascon, rather famously. Again, I'm not completely sure how easy or difficult that makes things, but given Aramis and Porthos' relative lack of fixed backgrounds, they'd just be easier to manage.

Interestingly, in this adaptation, Porthos is played by the black actor (Howard Charles), and Aramis is played by Santiago Cabrera, who was Venezulan born to Chilean parents. So there may have been a deliberate attempt to insert some diversity where they could best historically justify it.

Or they could just have been picking the best actors, because so far Aramis and Porthos are probably the most interesting to watch. Of course, I may be slightly biased in that they're my favourites (always have been, because Athos is too much brooding manpain and d'Artagnan is a young hothead), and are currently having the most chemistry of anyone on screen. So there is that.

[silvereriena]

Is this a Three Musketeers TV show? Movie? I MUST KNOW SO I CAN WATCH
musketeers are my thing. I wish there were more musketeer AUs.

[(Anonymous)]

BBC Musketeers 2014. It's a series, currently three episodes in. I think the first two episodes are up on youtube, actually.

[(Anonymous)]

Episode 1, "Friends and Enemies":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0rV_S2CdJo

Episode 2, "Sleight of Hand":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMHsNNaf7Q8

[silvereriena]

Oh my yessssssss. Thank you! I have something to watch over the weekend. :D

[flowerstar]

Wow, it's available in my country! *happydance* Yay! Thank you so much, anon!

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you!

[(Anonymous)]

SJWs just love to find SOMETHING to while about, don't they.

[(Anonymous)]

Eventually they'll introduce a one-off kid character, and I guarantee you that Porthos will be the big cuddly gentle one.

And also, I respectfully disagree. They've all been shown to be intimidating and angry at various times (Athos/Aramis played good cop/bad cop with Porthos nowhere in sight), and Porthos is very in-keeping with his boisterous bruiser characterization.

(Personally I'm more ticked that we've had three dead women in as many episodes).

[(Anonymous)]

(Personally I'm more ticked that we've had three dead women in as many episodes).

Yeah. I don't mind Vadim's mistress so much, since he shared her fate, but Adele and Mrs Bonnaire seemed gratuitous.

On the other hand, Constance is in fine form so far in this adaptation, and Milady is being her usual spectacular vengeful self. And Queen Anne isn't doing so badly either, what with putting the Cardinal in his place in Episode 2.

[(Anonymous)]

three dead women in as many episodes

We've had dead men, too, though. d'Artagnan's father, for one.

I was sorry to lose Adele, because the love pillow talk triangle had potential.

Queen Anne's brilliant, and I like the king, too. They're both more grown up than is usual in Musketeers adaptations, but the king still has a petulant edge.

[(Anonymous)]

We've had dead men, too, though. d'Artagnan's father, for one.

Yeah, but there are more men anyway, and the women who were killed all seemed likable and interesting.

It's not enough to put me off the show, and I'm sure things will improve in later episodes, but it was just minorly off-putting that it's so far a "once per episode" kind of thing.

Constance is fab, though.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, no. Porthos is no more intimidating, relatively speaking, than any of the others, and if you can't see a black man ever show any aggression whatsoever - no matter how contextualized and situationally appropriate - without screaming about scary black man tropes, you're either an SJW idiot or have some issues you need to examine in yourself.

Personally I find it much better to have black men - or any characters, really - be allowed complex, varied personalities which include a full range of emotions and mannerisms rather than have them be effectively neutered for the sake of some la de da minorities can only be portrayed as sparkly unicorns of friendly perfection or ZOMG RACISM. Screw that. Porthos is perfectly entitled to HAVE plenty of anger over a lot of aspects of his reality, to show it sometimes, and to STILL have the full rest of his personality recognized and appreciated as being much more than "angry black man."

[sabotabby]

I'd seriously not noticed that he was supposed to be more intimidating or scarier than the others. I was too busy being happy that a) they cast a black guy, and b) he got a really cool story in the latest episode.

[(Anonymous)]

This. And, admittedly, I've also been distracted shipping him and Aramis like it was going out of style. Episode three was one giant ball of happy in that regard.

[sabotabby]

I've mostly been distracted by Richelieu. But Porthos/Aramis is a lovely thought, yes.

Tbh I am not really watching it for the plot.

[(Anonymous)]

Peter Capaldi is doing a bang-up job, alright. After episode two, I'm actually kind of hoping we'll get more of Cardinal vs Queen Anne. His little 'perhaps I misjudged that' almost had an edge of respect.

But, yeah, Aramis is almost always my favourite musketeer, and this version has some fabulous chemistry with Porthos. I'm loving it.

(And it's Musketeers. Plot is often incidental to enjoyment, I think. They're like the A-Team, that way).

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't realise he was black until it was pointed out here... oops.

[elaminator]

Thank you for reminding me that this exists. Such hotness!... This is enough reason for me to want to watch, tbh. I'm glad the cast seems varied.

I am a black man...

[(Anonymous)]

and I am now interested in this because I want to see more scary black men on TV or movies or wherever who can intimidate everyone else, especially when those scary black men are the good guys (or are sophisticated villains.)

I don't know if you're black or male, OP, but please don't think you're defending or helping me. Check your... uh... something or other. Just stop wringing your hands over this. Most men want to be powerful and intimidating, and we often want that in the not-nicest of ways.