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fandomsecrets2014-02-10 06:55 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2014-02-10 06:55 pm
[ SECRET POST #2596 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2596 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Star Trek: The Next Generation]
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[The Croods]
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[Elementary]
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[Final Fantasy XIII]
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[SCP Foundation]
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[Philip Seymour Hoffman]
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[Twin Peaks]
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[Richard Armitage]
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[Reign]
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[The Hobbit]
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[Hunger Games]
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[Don't Hug Me I'm Scared]
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[Teen Wolf]
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[Panic! at The Disco/Dallon Weekes]
Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 063 secrets from Secret Submission Post #371.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
Re: What country makes the best detectives in the world?
Dude:
(I am pretty sure we call the clothes our police use in Norway a uniform... But do explain!)
Re: What country makes the best detectives in the world?
Alongside the fact that you have very distinct career paths of either staying in a uniform position, or going the detective route you get a pejorative division of 'suits' vs 'uniform' with all the associated headbutting and stereotypes from both sides.
Also we have those kinds of hats. You just wear them if you're going to be in a vehicle for practical reasons
Re: What country makes the best detectives in the world?
Being in The UK it is weird for me to see so many different types of uniforms (especially the traffic police made my friend and I double take when we first saw them), as the only thing different with our uniforms are the markings on their shoulders and you don't really notice that.
How can I have grown up watching British crime shows every friday and not ever thought about the fact that you have detectives and we don't is in hindsight pretty stupid...
*Kinda embarrassing thinking of the thread title, but I just made the first comment as a joke.
Edit: I had a slight translation issue, remembered the Norwegian term for detective, then tried to figured out anything about them and it seems they go through basically the same training as the regular police and they are in uniform*. We also don't have a lot of them, and in most cases a "regular" police officer does the job, most of them work for KRIPOS (National Criminal Investigation Service).
*Except the KRIPOS ones who dresses less formally than I would imagine they would in The UK, but in at least a shirt/Jacket.
Re: What country makes the best detectives in the world?
For comparison the police force for just our capital has literally four times as many officers as your national force (32k vs 8k), and we have multiple other forces in the capital. The BTP (Transport Police), and 'City of London' (they literally cover a square mile - mostly deal with finacial crime) being the most notable.
The benefit of that is it allows you to specialise in a way you simply can't in a smaller force.
Detectives here aren't a different recruitment intake or anything. Every police officer in the UK has to join as a beat officer and get assigned to standard duties for the first two years of their probation period. Generally this entails working on the response teams - driving fast cars and turning up to calls to the police, or the Safer Neighbourhood Teams who walk the beat, build warrants, carry out operations, and investigate low level crimes. You can get attachments and such to specialist teams if you prove yourself, but that's going to be the majority of the work you do.
When your probation is over, you can apply to any role to which you meet the requirements, for promotion, or to be a detective. For the detective if you pass the paper sift, you have to take an exam (same is true for promotion) and pass it, get given a couple months training, and then build a portfolio of evidence whilst working as a trainee detective.
If you manage that you become a substantive detective, and it opens up a huge swathe of possible roles for you to work in. And honestly most of the specialist units will be a mixture of both. For example the anti-robbery squads on a borough might be two constables to ever DC.
And continual training is a massive thing within the service. It's rare to find people who haven't gone in for specialist courses. You just have to prove yourself to your boss, be an asset to the team, and they'll make allowances. Most common are things like riot training (which means you will get continually punked with AID, and spend a day every other week in baking armour inside a carrier outside a football game just in case things kick off), pulsar (search training), specialist interviewing, response driving, etc. I mean it sounds trite, but the opportunities are basically limitless.
You're right tho, that a lot of other countries do set it up so that you apply to join the police as a detective, or you apply to join as a 'normal officer'. It's not a great model to be honest, and almost always leads to some problematic issues.
Re: the sheer amount of uniform, that's more true than you know, but that's a post for another day.
Re: What country makes the best detectives in the world?
We do have the same stuff just on a smaller scale, well KRIPOS and the guys with guns and so on, I have no reason to know a lot about our police force as I don't really interact with them. I know to go to the police station when I need a new passport and call the police if something bad happens and that is pretty much it.
I am actually doing research to be able to figure out exactly how the equivalent is done in Norway, it seems like you take the three year Bachelor just like any other person working as a police officer, then either go to school or just get promoted the same way as you would
The thing that differs I think is that we do things slightly differently than you, mostly because of a smaller scale I would assume, I also think we promote and train people after different requirements, but as I actually have to research everything to find answers, and not everything is readily available, and even if I find the facts that does not necessarily mean that is how it is done.
It seems like you don't apply to become a detective at first, but you are set on that path from the start, so even if you go through the same training and have to do the same things as any other police officer, you would after your training period is over go back to school and then be promoted, or something along those lines. Once upon a time I wanted to go to the Police Academy, after I figured out I was to old to join the Military, but I will be too old when I finish my current degree to do it. If my current career path won't work out I will probably become a prison guard, and had I known all this when I was 18 not years later I would have a career in iit, instead of wishing I could...
It was pretty overwhelming just being in The UK, with all the uniforms we saw and that was just the normal sets I would assume.
Oh and thank you for explaining! It was quite interesting to read, and I tried giving you the correct and as reliable information as I could back, but it isn't exactly an area I know everything about.