[ SECRET POSt #2600 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2600 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Lilo and Stitch]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

If this is what you truly think, then I think you've missed a lot of the book's complexity and characterization.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe I did. Because to me book!Thorin was sympathetic but rather unlikeable and kind of a flat character. And the things he does later are understandable. Movie!Thorin, while already showing some gold sickness in DOS, just doesn't seem like he'd go as far as book!Thorin did. I can't see it.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Really? I can nearly see it more easily with movie Thorin, since we were given a lot of his backstory regarding lost kingdoms, and a people in exile, and men and elves turning their backs on his people in their times of need, and having to live on the charity of others at times. In that context it makes a lot more sense to me that, already afflicted with gold madness, Thorin would instinctively close his gates when threatened by those same men and elves (and being fair, armed forces arriving on your doorstep in numbers is fairly threatening no matter how rationally it was meant on Bard and Thranduil's parts), and cling ever more tightly to everything he's just won back after years of hardship and which the people who abandoned them are threatening to try and take from him all over again. Then ramp up the tension as the situation between the two armed camps worsens, throw in gold madness clouding his judgement and ramping up his emotions, and then have him realise that the one non-dwarf he's trusted in so long, the friend who's saved his life and helped his people so many times by this stage, has just utterly betrayed them and handed his most precious (and focal for the madness) possession over to their enemies, the better to allow said enemies to blackmail and extort their treasures from him.

I could see him breaking down and holding Bilbo over a parapet in madness and betrayal induced rage, under those circumstances. Rather easily, really. Thorin is proud, desperate, easily moved to anger, sensitive to betrayal after all he's been through, and afflicted by a madness that is as potent in its way as a Ring's influence. Those wouldn't be actions that are beyond him in extremis.

[ryttu3k]

I can see it pretty easily, unfortunately. After all, he's already held Bilbo at swordpoint, and that's even BEFORE he gets Erebor back. Thorin's story is kind of being... amplified by the movie, I guess? So now he's a much more well-rounded character, but the seeds of gold sickness are still there, and it's going to be vastly more painful actually seeing it.

Last time I reread the Battle of Five Armies, I felt sad, but I honestly think I'm going to cry when I see the movie. (And that's even WITH its flaws and padding - if it's done one thing extremely well, it's made the dwarves feel like CHARACTERS. Fili and Kili's deaths will be devastating as well for the same reason.)

[lunabee34]

Naw. I wanted the book to have complexity and characterization that it did not. It's really hard for me to care about Thorin at all when I read the book because he's so unsympathetic and douchey. :( I will care when movie Thorin dies way more than I ever cared about his death in my multiple re-reads of the book.