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Those are cool Kirk quotes, I'll grant you.

I was mostly indifferent to the Kirk flirting until one episode where they went onto a planet and rescued a young girl (about 13 years old perhaps). She had been attacked and her clothes were torn, if I remember. Immediately, Kirk started to flirt with her as if she were an adult woman. I was horrified, as was my young brother watching with me. I checked with him to make sure I wasn't imagining it. Everything Kirk ever did afterwards was then coloured by that for me.

I don't find the Jack Harkness flirting as bad perhaps because of the actor. Barrowman's a terrible actor, indeed, but he does have that quality of cheesy likeability. Shatner is periodically amusing but also kind of unpredictably angry in an alarming way.

Mm, I remember Miri too, and I'll grant you back that I didn't like it either. But if it's of any consolation, neither did Rodenberry - he fired the guy who wrote that script.

I have an explanation for that episode, but I don't think it'll be of interest to you. Mostly, I'm sorry that episode spoiled your idea of Kirk, he's a really cool, complex character :( (As for his angry moments, it's usually because he takes his job seriously, and hates when his crew is harmed by the Monster of the Week. He loves his job and has his fun when possible, though.)

Jack is great and he's really fun as well! :3 But his moments of douchebaggyness and unfaithfulness have always hit me very hard. I guess everyone has different things they find unpalatable.

I thought it might have been Shatner's acting rather than in the script, because it was nothing Kirk said out loud, it was the in way he acted towards her. Smiles and touches and the like. Now you say it was the writer, I assume those directions must have been explicitly in the script. The whole thing was just off.

Harkness was definitely an unfaithful sleaze. The Gwen side, I didn't really care about because she was unfaithful too, and even more so as she was married. The Ianto side, I cared about intensely because Ianto was vulnerable (his last girlfriend having died horribly) and it could be assumed Ianto was being faithful from what he said. Whether they'd had that talk or not, it wasn't clarified. But Ianto might reasonably have had the expectation of faithfulness in return.

I took it more as a failure of writing from RT Davies than actual character faults in Jack (although Jack wasn't a favourite of mine either). RTD for whatever reason was determined to do all the bad things to Ianto. Granted, all his characters got it bad, but with Ianto he would build up his story to the viewers with teasers in interviews before smashing them in the actual series. No other character of his got it that bad.

The main thing I had against Kirk wasn't that episode. It was actually that one where Spock got space pollened and Kirk 'saved' him, even though Spock was having a good time and wasn't in danger. My brother and I were so angry at what Kirk did. When Spock said simply afterwards, "I was happy," my heart broke.

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