[ SECRET POST #2604 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2604 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Star Trek: The Next Generation]


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[Sherlock BBC]


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[Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward]


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[Elementary]


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[SPN]


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[Pacific Rim]


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[Harry Potter]


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[Game of Thrones]


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[Thor: Dark World]


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[Breaking Bad]


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[My Neighbor Totoro]


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[Robocop]


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[Unsounded]


















Notes:

Sorry about the late!

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 051 secrets from Secret Submission Post #372.
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Comments

[fscom]

01. http://i59.tinypic.com/zwm0hv.png

[(Anonymous)]

I never saw the movie, but I read the book and concluded the people who called it racist hadn't actually read it. Or seen the movie, because apparently the movie did do it justice.

Don't get me wrong - it's problematic; the white character (Skeeter, I think?) is an idiot (although she was a product of her time and place, and for that time and place way ahead of it), the ebonics is cringeworthy, and yeah, there's certainly a bit of "white person saves the day." But I enjoyed what the book was trying to do.

[philstar22]

Read the interviews with the women who the story is actually about. They make it clear why the book is racist. I still enjoy it for what it is, but yes it is racist.

[(Anonymous)]

Why is it racist? Just want to hear your take on it.

[philstar22]

Well, there is the fact that the author wrote these characters based on real women without their permission and without providing them any compensation. In fact, one of the women one of the characters was based on sued her because of that.

And the white savior thing is racist. Black women were perfectly capable of telling their stories. In fact, many of them were doing so at the time, which the movie glosses over.

Also, look up the Black Woman HIstorian's response to the movie that outlines a lot of the racism.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but I still don't see it. You call a racist trope racist, which was already established. You say look up this person and then google doesn't give me anything remotely resembling what you're talking about.

Why is the lawsuit racist? And what was the outcome? I'm curious because authors aren't required to get permission from or give compensation to someone they write about.

[(Anonymous)]

You sound white.

[(Anonymous)]

...and whites aren't allowed, ammirite?

This is a stupid comment and you should feel bad about yourself.

[(Anonymous)]

So do you. I'm mixed, actually. And I was severely punished for it by both whites and blacks when I was growing up in Chicago in the 80s and 90s. Do I "qualify" now? Am I now allowed to ask someone to explain something to me that they understand I don't?

[(Anonymous)]

What a stupid thing to say.

[(Anonymous)]

And the Social Justice Idiots have arrived. And yes, every one of you who proclaims yourself a Social Justice Warrior is in fact, in my view, nothing more than a whiny ass, white, bratty, rich idiot.

[(Anonymous)]

What a blazingly fucking moronic comment.

Your view sucks because you don't know jackshit about what was being said here.

Read the articles written by Black women on this shitty movie and fucking edify yourself.

[(Anonymous)]

The lack of compensation? Basing the stories on real women without their permission? Everything that was just said above?

You may not view that as racist, but I'm sure you can at least acknowledge it's pretty rude and a shitty thing to do to people.

[(Anonymous)]

nyart but, I'm also confused. Using stories without permission has nothing to do with racism - it's being a dick. It's an asshole thing to do, but I don't see where racism is entering the picture, unless you can prove the author feels entitled to these stories BECAUSE they are black, or whatever.

[philstar22]

http://www.abwh.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2%3Aopen-statement-the-help

That's the Association of Black Women HIstorian's statement.

The lawsuit was dismissed because it was past the statute of limitations, but the point still stands. This white women took the stories of these black women and used them even when she was specifically asked not to.

And as for the trope, I'm confused. So you admit that it is racist and yet say the book/movie isn't racist? Its racist. Its not the only thing racist about The Help, but just that would be enough to call the book and movie racist.

[(Anonymous)]

This author took the stories of these people and used them even when specifically asked not to.

ftfy

If the lawsuit had gone forward it would have been about an author writing about people without their permission, not a white woman writing about black women without their permission.

[logicbutton]

True. But just because their races aren't relevant legally doesn't mean they're not relevant at all. We can only speculate on why Kathryn Stockett felt she could get away with it, but in doing so we can note the existing pattern of black women having their wishes disrespected by white people in America.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry but I'm too upset by another comment to really reply to yours right now. But thank you for the link.

[(Anonymous)]

RE: The Help.

My Black friends won't touch this movie with a ten foot pole. They found it very insulting and racist.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh get lost.

[logicbutton]

Problematic in a way having to do with race = racist. Also, I know there are people out there who read the book and found it eye-opening, but while I can appreciate that, I don't think it's a good reason to ignore the presence of the subtle racist narratives being reinforced. Plus the effect on the real-life black women mentioned upthread.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. It's like The Hunger Games/Twilight for me, the films did a really good job of smoothing over the rougher edges in the books and improved them tenfold. The acting was A+ too, which definitely helped.

[i_paint_the_sky]

I prefer the book, but only by a little. Mainly due to the fact that the movie didn't do justice to the romance Skeeter was in, since I found her boyfriend to be fairly likeable most of the time in the book, and was upset when things didn't work out between them.