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[ SECRET POST #2615 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2615 ⌋

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Is fic where McCoy hears either of them screaming the other's name at the moment of orgasm and then tries to set them up really a thing? Because it sounds a little horrifying.

Other than that, I think many people get the appeal of cliched fanfic. As a rule, cliches=incredibly popular tropes. And id tropes are, like, the definition of what 90% of fans want in their fanfic. The only difference between classic id tropes and cliches is that cliches have become slightly too popular and hence acquired a ridiculous quality to them. But in most cases, it can easily be ignored.

I know I like h/c cliches of all sorts.

I think a big reason classic tropes become cliches is that cliches are not just popular, but also so conscious of their popularity that they are written in complacent, lazy, "I'll just drop a nice neat dollop of this trope in here without any care about integrating it or trying to convince the reader it matters" ways until they become ridiculous and infect writers' awareness so that they can't write something that happens to be a cliche by accident anymore.

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dreemyweird - 2014-03-01 22:25 (UTC) - Expand

Is fic where McCoy hears either of them screaming the other's name at the moment of orgasm and then tries to set them up really a thing? Because it sounds a little horrifying.

Sounds like a perfect crack fic to me.

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dreemyweird - 2014-03-01 23:33 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2014-03-02 01:09 (UTC) - Expand

I thought I didn't like cliche'd fic, but reading down that list I was like "I like that. I like that... like that... can't get enough of that... love that..." so apparently originality isn't as much my thing as I thought.

Oh, fuck it. Bring on the pon farr in a cave fic!

Not too much into Star Trek, but I love shipping fanfic cliches and anyone saying otherwise can pry them from my cold dead fingers.

I like both sometimes. Just depends on the cliche and on the original idea.

I'm the opposite. I wish I was more like you, OP. Then more fic would be open to me in that fandom.

I like both. Some days you just want the most clichéd tropey idfic available, and other days you want to shake things up and have something new and different.

It's harder to find the latter than the former, though.

I mostly gave you a point there for pon far

Actually, this list is a real thing listing various cliches in the Kirk/Spock fandom, though. The OP didn't come up with it (unless junglekitty is on FS anonymously?)

http://www.invisibleplanets.com/kirk_spock/KSCliches.htm

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insanenoodlyguy - 2014-03-01 22:25 (UTC) - Expand

I don't think this was a troll-- I didn't write the secret, but I understand the sentiment. When I write original fiction (that is, not fanfic) I scrape my brain trying to be as unique as possible, but when I write fic? I *wallow* in tropes.

If my story gets a little slow? Main character has to save love interest from homophobic bullies! Love interests misunderstand each other and instead of talking about it like real people, they go around and around in circles! One shouts the other's name in his sleep!

chiming in with Not A Troll. At least, I didn't think this was.

Who exactly is this supposed to upset, anyway?

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(Anonymous) - 2014-03-02 23:23 (UTC) - Expand

THE BIG LIST OF K/S CLICHES. I LOVE THAT THING SO MUCH. *runs off to google it*

And yeah, while I get sick of reading cliches after a while and am usually trying to seek out fic that's new and fresh, I love the fact that cliches exist, that I can always cycle back to them and fall back on them. They're so comforting and usually have some truth to them. Or at the very least, have this sense of warm fuzzy amusement to them. ;)

WAIT, IT IS AN ACTUAL THING? SWEET!

I'm so glad you mentioned that, if you cannot tell.

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intrigueing - 2014-03-02 00:57 (UTC) - Expand

I was grinning at this list like mad, but completely lost it cackling at the repeat of "is it McCoy?"

Incidentally, THIS IS MY FAVORITE CLICHE EVER. McCoy being all "Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor not a therapist!" and then going around to set them up and give them advice anyway. One the first Kirk/Spock fics ever written ("Poses" by Leslie Fish) has him do this to Kirk and Spock wonderfully.

LOL yes. Yenta!McCoy for the win, even though it's sooooooo overdone and usually corny. :D

And...I really like the fic "Poses." Yeah, it's fully of silly bits of ridiculous '70s attitudes and sensibilities and psychology, but it's just great anyway. Though despite it being a Kirk/Spock story, my favorite scene by far way the epic but highly compassionate tough-love verbal smackdown Bones deals Spock just before the story's climactic confrontation.

I love cliches, if they're written well. I also love originality and trope subversion and all sorts of other types. It all depends on my mood. But I can definitely understand loving cliches!

I love some cliches, but only some really specific one, like take for example Undercover as Couple. I know exactly what is going to happen, and I love it everytime, maybe because I know exactly what is going to happen.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't go for a subversion. Love subversions of cliches that are extremely familiar to me.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-03-01 22:42 (UTC) - Expand

See, I'd love more cliché fic for rarer pairs. The megaships like K/S with the crap tonnes of cliché fic get kind of boring after a while, but the same clichés with less common pairings would be right up my alley.

And, um, here's where I admit to being a grumpy S/Mc shipper, so there's some of that involved, but I'd really love this in general. (I also wanted cliché idfic for McKay/Zelenka over in SGA, but SGA was more likely to provide crazy tropefic for every possible pairing, so the need was less acute over there).

I'm not into the Star Trek side of things but I too am an enjoyer of clichés even if I do wish for a bit more variety sometimes in fandom.

There are some cliches I will never get tired of and there are times when I like to be pleasantly surprised by something new in fic. So I think a good mix is cool. :]

I love me some cliche fic. Especially in Harry Potter.

I like cliches that are handled in an original way, for the most part. The exception being that I will read any sex pollen fic I can get my hands on, for good or bad.

Thank you OP and F!S for telling all of the writers out there that they shouldn't try to come up with new ideas for fear that people will think them dull and stupid. Everyone knows that the same story over and over again is where it's at!

I swear, stupid fucks like you make me want to burn the fucking world and start over again.

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