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Comments

[dreemyweird]

Many people said this, but I was quoting Lidiya Ginzburg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidiya_Ginzburg). Whose life was kinda tough, which might have influenced her views. Also, she was a Russian literary critic, and there is a certain Dostoyevsky ame slave flair about Russian literary criticism.

But I didn't actually mean to agree with her, I merely said that it seems to be a popular incentive. It certainly isn't the only one.

(It isn't the incentive in my case, either. I seem to write out of... an urge to write, really. It has nothing to do with my emotional state.)

[intrigueing]

Ugh, well, I just really strongly hate the tendency of authors and artists who go around going "IT'S ALL ABOUT MISERY." I've just had to slog through so much of that shit in school that I'm pretty much completely fed up right to the neck with it. (The attitude drove me to quit my college literary magazine in frustration last fall too.)

But oh, I now feel hypocritical because as soon as you said "Russian" I was like oh duh Dostoyevsky even before you mentioned Dostoyevsky, and then I felt all shallow for stereotyping Russian literary attitudes... <_<

[dreemyweird]

I get the sentiment, actually, and share it to some extent. I had once taken a course on Russian literature, though I had already known the subject very well. And the teacher was positively obsessed with the sufferings of the writers. I was seething with anger whenever she brought up the literature of the twentieth century, because I knew that in truth there was much more to these people (Mandelstam and Blok in particular) than their misery, but she insisted on talking about this misery only. I used to joke that "I don't know what writer we are going to study next, but I already know that he suffered a lot and died a horrible death".

So, to be fair, it really is a pervasive attitude typical of the Russian school of literary criticism. (That teacher is by no means the only one). But admittedly, it has a lot to do with the history of the twentieth century. Like, there isn't much to be cheerful about, especially considering the fact that almost every writer was treated abominably and suffered a lot. Mandelstam did die in a concentration camp, half-mad and starved, having exchanged his only coat for a kilogram of sugar which was then promptly stolen from him. Blok did die of starvation.

And it does exist outside of Russia, too, and I do dislike it. But it is also true that many people do write because they are unhappy; and that happiness may actually reduce one's productivity.

I guess Ginzburg's saying should be paraphrased as "for some people, art is condensed unhappiness".

[intrigueing]

Yeah IA with that, especially in the context you talk about. And I think it's absolutely (and powerfully) true. Just not the universal truth.