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I like well done historical AUs because it forces the author or characters to react or consider events. It's another way of exploring history and things that happened. Like big superheroes. How do you fight a thing that's systemic? There's no one person at fault. Unless you want to kill the whole country. Superheroes are out of their depth in the world of global politics. EXPLORE THAT, that's interesting. This wasn't a sueprvillain this was people fucking people over, you can't power your way through this. So now what?

Using something to explore how characters are in it makes sense and can be done well.

I've read several Holocaust AUs that were decent, actually. None of the decently written ones were shipping Nazi/Jew and milking for drama, either. If I remember right, one was either a British or American POW shipped with a POW camp guard drafted there against his will, another one was reluctant German soldier/reluctant German soldier and neither of them could admit they didn't want to be there, that sort of thing.

There are lots of things besides ~Nazi/Jew~ that you can do with WWII/the Holocaust as an AU backdrop that isn't shitty and cheapening genocide for angst.

OP

I was talking specifically about AUs that center around the genocidal aspects, not any aspect of the war. POW AUs during WWII isn't a Holocaust AU imo.

I personally might not want to read a WWII AU, but it doesn't push my FUCK YOU AND YOUR DOG buttons like exploitation of the death camps/concentration camps for wangst.

Anon before the anon you're replying to - to me, fics set during the holocaust and taking those issues into concern and having the holocaust actually be a BIG DEAL to the plot would count for me.

I mean I do want to see characters actually deal with and confront genocide and note how they respond, that's interesting to me, I want to see how they might be affected.

It kind of seems like you're defining 'holocaust au fics' as 'badly written fic exploiting events for wangst and drama' instead of 'fics exploring this particular era of history and the pretty terrible shit that went down'. I'd argue the first is a subset of the second, but the second CAN be done well and effectively and doesn't HAVE to have both characters be jews or one of them being dead or someone being a guard or whatever.

Disliking exploitation of death cams and concentration camps makes sense, I don't disagree with that, I'd say there's a lot more ways to do holocaust AUs though - one of them being 'let's explore it from different perspectives, some close and some more distant'.

death CAMPS not death cams christ that was a hell of a typo

ayrt

I mentioned the POW story because eventually the Holocaust/a forced march to a death camp did get involved in the story. So it does count, IMO. The reluctant guards were also guards at a death camp and that fact was extremely pivotal, so...

Just, sorry, trying to figure out what you're saying - by "genocide AU" do you mean Nazi/Jew and none of the other possible combinations? I mean, lots of other types of people killed there, gays being significant for the slash fics and all, whether they were Jewish or German or Nazis themselves or not. A slash ship in the middle of Nazi Germany would definitely be affected by the Holocaust considering what would happen to them if found out.

I would find gays in WWII Germany in a concentration camp equally exploitative tbh. What, a high-school bullying AU or getting-run-out-of-town AU isn't high stakes enough? Gotta have concentration camps, amirite?

As for genocide AU I'd say I'm talking about at least one of the characters AU'd to be a member of the race/people being exterminated AND the setting being an area where the extermination is taking place, though either one of them on its own edges into nope territory for me.

It all depends on how you'd go about it, I suppose. Could it be cheap and angsty and an exaggerated high school drama with the wrong writer? Sure. Could it be heartbreaking and a fascinating look into psychology with the right one? Sure to that too. Sometimes things are interesting when they're extreme where things that wouldn't ever happen otherwise with lesser stakes, do.

Those are some pretty specific standards for genocide AU, anyway. And not at all as narrow a field I'd think of if you told me only "genocide AU". I'd think of any AU involving, happening alongside, or being impacted by a genocide. Like a "war AU" could involve anything to do with war, not only frontline soldiers, couldn't it?

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