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Ok, I accept that. I can say though, that in my experience of 10 years in fandom, the subset of people who do proper research and don't milk the setting for cheap drama does not overlap with the subset of people who go "you know what fandom needs? A Holocaust AU!"

I just posted this above, but:

http://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/971461.html?thread=726952389#cmt726952389

nyart

there's a difference between 'all of this is bad / I've never seen a good version of this / I don't trust most writers to handle this topic with any sensitivity or due respect, therefore I won't touch fics I see about these' and 'all fics about this are universally bad this is a terrible setting no one should touch it ever it can never be done well EVERYONE WHO DOES IT IS BAD PEOPLE'.

OP was kindaaaa sliding towards the second one. as were a lot of other posters in the thread.

I don't mind saying 'tons of stuff done in this setting are rubbish and even worse than the usual AUs considering how exploitative of real life tragedy they are' though since that seems to be true enough.

lol this fits in surprisingly well with the kink shaming thread...

idk given the amount of asshattery i've seen concering Holocaust aus I'd probably default that anybody writing it is an uneducated exploitative asshat until proven otherwise

i don't think that i'm missing out on any great pearls of fandom literature or whatever. maybe of the exploiters were shamed more theyd bother doing research

There's nothing wrong with going 'yeah chances are if you see a fic like this / with these markers it'll probably be bad'.

That's different from going 'it all HAS TO BE I refuse to believe it could possibly be done well'. By all means go ahead and say the majority of people who try something like this are probably not very good at what they're doing and you'd rather not bother with the genre as a whole, but don't be all 'everything sucks forever', I don't think that's particularly fair.

No one's saying you have to READ all of it, I'm certainly not suggesting that, but there's no need to automatically condemn everything without reservations either.

OP

Never seen a reason to believe otherwise, so I don't know who'd benefit from this theoretical benefit of the doubt. Besides, it's not like I read and bash. I don't read, but it makes me ill when I see the exploitative stuff on my dash, for example. So what do you care if one person on the internet thinks that you are probably shit for writing exploitative fics in death camps?

I mean, I've said earlier in the thread that I'm not even talking about say general WWII or whatever. But if you write a fic about the Armenian Genocide (and I'm pointing this out because I want to emphasize that while the Holocaust is the major target for these, I would find any other genocide-exploitation fic to be equally offensive) specifically about the genocide parts, I would find it gross and you gross.

Actually I always wonder why the SJWs never comment on how the Jews were an oppressed minority and Problematic because of appropriation and such but I guess it's because Jews are too white or something idk.

nayrt

"whatever I don't want to believe in exceptions"

You should have just said that begin with so we could have avoided trying to engage. :\

Do you have an example of a good, respectful, interesting AU that actually takes place in a death/concentration camp?

tbh I found reading people's comments interesting, and there's no problem with other people liking that stuff or defining their own areas where they enjoy/don't enjoy whatever sort of fic. I just personally don't think I will be convinced to enjoy it myself, and I don't see how that eliminates discussion?

I was actually originally curious if other people had NOPE AUs as well, but nobody seems interested in talking about that since we're all arguing the fucking merits of Holocaust AUs. Whatever.
Maybe my mistake was detailing why I don't like those AUs so much, but I normally don't like saying I don't like something without stating why, if there's a reason, because to me it shuts down discussion and also because I don't normally dislike things for no reason.

Go forth and enjoy your genocide fics, anon. From this thread sounds like you've got a decent amount of variety to choose from.

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