[ SECRET POST #2618 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2618 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Which is even more of a bullshit justification since a lot of artists use tablets and other digital mediums.

[darkmanifest]

But I assume they had to buy those tablets and shell out money for decent art programs. Whereas all I need to write a story is a free document program. True, both writer and artist can get by with pencil and paper if necessary, but there's no equivalent to, say, Photoshop or Wacom for a writer's modern tools.

[(Anonymous)]

There absolutely are free equivalents to Photoshop. They may not be as polished as PS, but they exist and I've seen artists do wonders on them. Just as there are programs for writers that aren't free, but better than the free tools.

And with just one commission, some artists will be able to pay for a tablet, depending on their rates. Just as a writer may for his purchase of Scrivener, for example.

[darkmanifest]

Scrivener is not the kind of baseline expectation for a writer that Photoshop is for an artist. And sure, an artist can roll with GIMP and a secondhand tablet, but there's a reason a lot more of them invest any money they make back into the craft - a better program, a better tablet, better art classes - compared to how many writers save up to buy Scrivener. Writers don't compete in a field where their fellows are commonly rocking both natural talent and a $300 collection of tools.

I don't think art is harder than writing or anything, of course, but I've used GIMP and Photoshop, and that shit ain't no fancy note-taker.

[(Anonymous)]

I doubt they buy all that stuff solely for the purpose of commissions, though. Usually artists with such costly equipment do something art related for a living and need the stuff whether someone from fannish circles will ask them for commissions or not. There's a number of factors you'd all have to consider on both sides of the issue (some artists get their software free from their school, for example or discounts on art supplies), but it comes down to the bottom line that for fanart/fanfic commissions, there isn't a definite difference where one of them is inherently more expensive for the producer. You can't live off of either.

P.S.: I'd say that Scrivener offers a bit more than a "fancy note-taker." YMMV, of course.

[darkmanifest]

That's another thing - most professional authors (at least the ones I've heard of) don't ever use special tools to write, whereas most professional artists do, and I figure there's good reason for that difference. But, in any case, I don't disagree that fic writers should be able to do commissions, if people want to pay for it. Also, fair enough, about Scrivener. Maybe a pure artist finds writing programs to be the same clusterfuck that I do art programs. It's easy to take draft editing and vocabulary for granted when you live and breathe it.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for your counterpoint, I'm a semi-pro amateur artist and I'm currently having to shell out $400 for Corel Painter because I stupidly lost my student license serial number for Photoshop during a reboot (PS is running $600+ for the non-sub version) The cheaper tools really don't compare, plus I had to buy a scanner over Christmas and decent tablets cost anywhere from $300-$1000. Groceries are probably going to be a bit tight this month but the Photoshop CC seems a bit sketchy plus it'll cost more in the long run so Painter it is D:

And don't even get me started on paint/canvas/sketchbooks/pencils/framing/printing/inks/etc. that was a major portion of my tuition at art school.

[(Anonymous)]

I just pirate. Since i'm already engaging in copyright infringement by selling fanart, I might as well engage in more of it.

[(Anonymous)]

Finally someone sensible!

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah my only prob is that I don't sell fan art and it's getting increasingly hard to get legit serial numbers to unlock the trials (I did have a pirated copy of Painter back in the art school days)

[(Anonymous)]

Also can't pirate art supplies or hardware xP

[(Anonymous)]

No, silly. Those you steal.

[(Anonymous)]

Ahh, now I see the error of my ways. Would you say that shoplifting or home invasion is the better way to go? xP

[(Anonymous)]

Depends what you're looking for. Tradtional art supplies are smaller and easier to shoplift (if you're not going for canvases or easels. With tablets, I think home invasion might work better :D

[otakugal15]

Buy a monoprice tablet!! I got a decent one, in the mid to smallish range with programmable buttons (far more than an intutos has) that was just a tad over $50. And it works great. Only downside is the tablet pen has no eraser.

[(Anonymous)]

I spent over $400 on "tablets and other digital mediums".

Art supplies are costly no matter how you spin it.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I used to do traditional art and good markers and colored pencils are expensive as hell. That's not even counting sketchbooks, erasers, pencils, pens for inking, the scanner you need to scan your art, etc.

All of that stuff really adds up if you're doing art on anywhere near a regular basis.

[(Anonymous)]

Did you buy that just so you could do commissions and thought "yes, I'm going to earn that money back solely by doing some shady copyright art" -- because if what you're drawing doesn't belong to you, it doesn't matter what it cost you to produce that piece of art. It's your choice to purchase expensive programs and supplies. And what you produce is technically not yours to sell. It's a different matter if you use your stuff to produce and sell original art, obviously!

[(Anonymous)]

No, I bought it for school. I don't take fanart commissions. Any fanart I do is soley for my own enjoyment.

I just see everyone here talking like art supplies aren't a big deal. They're hella expensive.

If other artists want to take on the risks of copyright and do commissions that's on them. They can charge what they want for their work. And I think if fanwritters wanted to risk taking on commissions the same goes for them.