[ SECRET POST #2618 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2618 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

So if the situations were reversed you'd be cool with someone calling her "Fatniss"?

[lex_antonia]

The oh-so-popular reverse test doesn't always work, you know. Some statements come with institutional power behind them, others don't.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes or no?

[(Anonymous)]

Kind of like how it's okay for women to abuse their spouses, right?

[(Anonymous)]

Excellent reply. I hate the trolls that like to argue that the world is made up of all black and white situations with no deviations. Everything must be yes or no, no exceptions!

[(Anonymous)]

I love how you argue against black/white and then go on to call someone a troll because you disagree with them

[(Anonymous)]

I love how you don't understand logic.

[(Anonymous)]

Enlighten me then with your wisdom.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. Because men in Hollywood totally don't have body image issues and men in general don't have eating disorders and are totally never pressured by society to fit a certain mold of fit and good looking.

[lex_antonia]

Oh for fuck's sake, what is it with you people that you pretend there's no middle ground? To say, correctly, that women have it harder doesn't mean that 'men totes have no problemz eva, right' or whatever hyperbole kids use these days.

Likewise, there's a middle ground between thinking JL is a perfect angelic being sent from heaven to liberate Hollywood from misogyny, and thinking she deserves every sexist slur you can think of thrown in her face.

[(Anonymous)]

The point is that saying "Some statements come with institutional power behind them, others don't." doesn't somehow magically erase a problem.
Institutional power is only a single aspect and not the only factor in whether or not saying something shitty is harmful.
I have seen this way of reasoning a lot when it comes to female on male abuse/rape where it's used to derail the discussion into "but women still have it worse so male victims don't count". Maybe I'm just a bit too used to this way of arguing so I overreacted. But it seriously pisses me off.

[lex_antonia]

Except we aren't talking about rape, and assuming that I must have inferred something because someone else did that once in a completely different discussion ... adds precisely what to the debate?

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, I'd be okay with that as an off-the-cuff joke by a coworker, PROVIDED THAT SHE'D JUST DELIBERATELY GAINED FIFTY POUNDS.

Jokes are context-dependent, and in this case the joke referenced a very specific thing: Bale's deliberate and rapid weight gain for the role.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree completely. I would understand why people would consider this shaming if it were just the way he looked normally, but... he literally gained the weight on purpose for a role, and that's what she was referencing.

[(Anonymous)]

In particular because that's a thing Bale is known for doing: massive (and health-wrecking) physical transformations for roles. It's like poking fun at Daniel Day-Lewis for staying in character all the time, or at Jean-Claude Van Damme for always finding an excuse to do splits.

[(Anonymous)]

but what are your thoughts on fleshlights

[(Anonymous)]

Is this some tumblr joke that I'm missing out on?

[(Anonymous)]

No, it's "what are your thoughts about yaoi" joke with a f!s-themed joke about fleshlight anon.

[chardmonster]

Yeah. I'd be totally cool with that, because she'd probably find it funny.