[ SECRET POST #2622 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2622 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I have to agree about CGI films. Some of the Pixar ones are okay, but I really, really wish that Disney would get back to "traditional animation" in animated films. I miss traditional animation (and boy does it make me feel old to say that)! Especially for films that are human centric (I think a lot of the Pixar ones are only okay because most of theirs are animal or otherwise non-human centric).

[(Anonymous)]

Everyone who reminisces fondly about traditional Disney animation needs to take off their rose tinted glasses, maybe rewatch some of the 60s-80s movies. Like Robin Hood. You know, the one that copied about 50% of its animation wholesale from other movies and reused clips.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Are you seriously saying people can only enjoy The Jungle Book, 101 Dalmatians, The Aristocats, The Sword in the Stone, The Fox and the Hound, The Rescuers, The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, The Great Mouse Detective, and The Little Mermaid while wearing rose-tinted glasses? Or any of the other Disney animated features that came out in a thirty year span?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Good reading comprehension. One, I'm talking about the animation itself and yes, if you think the animation of, say, the Aristocats is objectively superior to Frozen's, you've got some major bias going on (although the story of Aristocats isn't anything special, either). Two, did you miss the part were I said "some"? Well, actually, I take it back - those were bad years for the Disney animation house, period, until it hit its renaissance.

I like how you got "no one is allowed to actually enjoy the art from those three decades" from "the animation of the past is not as great as people think it is."

TL;DR If your animation department loses Don Bluth and a bunch of other animators all at once, the quality of your output is going to go down significantly.

[(Anonymous)]

I like how you got "no one is allowed to actually enjoy the art from those three decades" from "the animation of the past is not as great as people think it is."
Um, neither you or AYRT said either of those things. Never even implied them.

Yes, the animation style of The Aristocats is much better than Frozen's and most people who prefer hand drawn animation to computer animation think the same thing. There have been many polls about it and there's some talk that Disney is considering reversing their position about hand drawn animation. Their computer animated films are drawing a smaller audience share than their hand drawn features did and merchandise sales are less than half as strong.

If your animation department loses Don Bluth and a bunch of other animators all at once, the quality of your output is going to go down significantly.
LOL So Disney movies in the 60s through 80s were bad because Don Bluth left Disney in 1979? He worked on most of the Disney animated features made in the 60s and 70s, twenty of the 30 years you say have inferior style. You're stanning for him and he's actually the guy responsible for recycling character designs in Robin Hood! He went on to do it in all four of his major successes after he left Disney. And yes, those four and several of his other animated films are also better than Frozen, Brave, or Wreck-It-Ralph.

[(Anonymous)]

Awwww, somebody saw that one youtube video that everyone has seen. So adorable!

I'm aware that many clips were recycled in various movies. You know what? They still look better than the all-CGI Disney animation. That's more embarrassing for the CGI ones, not less.

[(Anonymous)]

Sick condescension, bro. It really adds weight to your... actually, I have no idea what your argument here is. The fact that the painful animation reuse was summed up in a YouTube video it doesn't make it cheap, lazy, and all around bad animation?

[(Anonymous)]

That was some great condescension you started with, there. Like, Olympic-level totally unwarranted condescension. You should be proud. Or, you know, whatever the opposite of proud is where you come from.

What the CG animation in Frozen managed to do is something that none, and I do mean NONE, of the classic animation managed to do, and that is moving from extremely small and subtle facial cues to Huge Impressive Magic Visuals on a clear and consistent visual continuum. If that didn't impress you... well, okay, fair enough. Can't please everyone. But please accept that it actually DID impress some people.

[(Anonymous)]

No shit, that was when the were still hand drawing stuff - of course stuff is recycled.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you also get grumpy when you learn that artists refer to real-life models or photographs and aren't just creating all the right lines out of thin air?

Also, in the context of the conversation, I suspect ayrt (and others) are probably thinking more about the overall style and composition and character designs rather than the actual, literal, frame-by-frame animation.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you also get grumpy when you learn that artists refer to real-life models or photographs and aren't just creating all the right lines out of thin air?

...huh? What is that in response to?