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⌈ Secret Post #2622 ⌋

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Comments

Extreme spoilers for Madoka Magica TV series

[(Anonymous)]

I kinda agree with this. To me, Madoka falls in a lot of trappings that is usually gender assigned in fiction. For example, the whole thing that humanity progression on the sorrow of young women thing. Sacrificial women is often a trope in anime (well, in all honesty, we can argue this is very much a global trope in a lot of ways). I mean, how many male-centered series would happen like that, even the dark ones? In Madoka, everyone gets punished for their choice, even Madoka who just turned out bittersweet. And the whole Witch thing, but at least the series made you sympathize with them once you knew what they were and how they become Witches.

But what makes Madoka Magica great how they , play around, deconstruct (and eventually reconstruct) the magical girl anime tropes and you have to have a good knowledge of it to really appreciate the series, but just because it is a deconstruct doesn't necessarily means it's more feminist than, say, Sailor Moon (who I think its feminism got toned down in the anime, imo) or PreCure.

Re: Extreme spoilers for Madoka Magica TV series

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. As a long time magical girl fan, when I first saw PMMM (and this was before Urobuchi's comments, it was when the series aired) I read it as deconstructing elements of magical girl series that would be just plain disturbing outside of their idealistic genre bubble. This isn't necessarily feminist, but easily could be, since lots of magical girl conventions themselves are not ideally feminist.

Re: Extreme spoilers for Madoka Magica TV series

[(Anonymous)]

The thing with Madoka is it was accidentally a story about why it's bad girls are told to hide their desires.

Re: Extreme spoilers for Madoka Magica TV series

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it was accidentally in that regard considering the whole Sayaka's arc was about how denying one's true desires/intentions (aka wanting Kyousuke to notice her and fall for her) fucked them over in the end.

But Madoka isn't the first mahou shoujo about a girl's choice to pick her desires over the greater good (that sometimes represent the belief that the collective comes first that is pervasive in Japanese culture). Sailor Moon does that aplenty.

Re: Extreme spoilers for Madoka Magica TV series

[(Anonymous)]

That's not actually what Sayaka's true wish was, IMO. I think Sayaka was a victim of culture in that she did wish for what she did want--Kyousuke to be happy--but she was being told at every turn that she did it so he'd like her, and so she came to believe it herself. As opposed to the others whose wishes aren't what they really want (Kyouko wanted her family to be happy again, Mami wanted her and her family to live, Homura wanted to save Madoka).

I don't think it's like Sailor Moon in the way they go about it. Madoka's sacrifice ISN'T ideal for ANYONE. But it's a bit better of a system than the Puella-Witch system. It's shown as not an outright positive choice, but, "Better than the alternative" whereas Sailor Moon... Actually FIXES things.

Re: Extreme spoilers for Madoka Magica TV series

[(Anonymous)]

da

I think she did genuinely want Kyousuke to be happy, but at the same time she WAS denying her own feelings about it. Even Hitomi could see that she liked Kyousuke, and that's why she gave Sayaka a chance to confess to him first... but Sayaka couldn't do it. She was so convinced that he couldn't possibly like her because of what she'd sacrificed to become a magical girl that she never even tried, and that was a large part of why she fell into despair and became a witch.

Re: Extreme spoilers for Madoka Magica TV series

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. But there's a difference between, "I made this wish because I want him to like me and that's the real wish I have" and "I made a wish and happen to like him and want him to notice me."

Re: Extreme spoilers for Madoka Magica TV series

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Honestly, I think her wish was a combination of both things: that she did want him to be happy, but at the same time I feel that there was at least a part of her that was hoping he'd realize what she'd done and be grateful to her for it.

Either way, her inability to be honest with herself played a large role in what ultimately happened to her.

Re: Extreme spoilers for Madoka Magica TV series

[(Anonymous)]

Also, SA,

But either the choices were good or not, in the end, they couldn't escape the inevitable, turning into a Witch. Luckily Homura's wish inadvertently gave Madoka the power to overcome the Witch System and temper it so that at least the girls don't have to face a fate worse than death anymore even though the magical girls will still fall into despair.

I might admit beforehand that I haven't saw the third movie yet. I heard it was quite the game changer.

Re: Extreme spoilers for Madoka Magica TV series

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of this is negated by the third movie, from what I've heard.