[ SECRET POST #2623 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2623 ⌋

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Comments

[forgottenjester]

...The Grimm version is in public domain though? I don't have a problem with blatant adaptations? Heck, I've written adaptations myself.

As for Disney... yeah, that's still under copyright but in all honesty what she wrote might fall under Fair Use because of parody?

[feotakahari]

Actually, it was a deadly serious attempt at deconstruction--not so different from all those attempts to deconstruct the Grimm story. I don't think Fair Use would have protected her if she'd called him Sneezy. What I'm trying to say is that I think the Disney version and the Grimm version occupy the role of legends at this point, and I feel like authors today should be able to freely adapt and mess with the Disney version without having to circle around it, for the same reasons Disney was able to freely adapt and mess with the Grimm version. (In other words, I think copyright lasts way too long.)

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think you'll get any argument from anyone that the life+70 years term of copyright we have in the US is way too long.

[forgottenjester]

Then you won't find an argument with me. I think current copyright law is stupid.* However, it's still law so I'm going to make sure I follow it so I don't get in trouble.

On top of that, a deconstruction, to me, is very different from the original. It's an adaptation that changes a lot of a story. If you remember my first comment I said, "How removed from the source material is it?" To put it simply, I was asking how much are you copying and how much are you reimagining? Did you make it your own? I said nothing about copyright until the end when I said, "It also helps if whatever you're writing published fic of is in public domain." I said it helps, not that it's necessary. I just don't want people taken to court.

So I don't understand why we're having this conversation when we basically agree and copyright law had absolutely nothing to do with my original point. That point being "Published fic is cool but can be skeevy if you go about it the wrong way."

*Due to how long it's been extended. I think it should be a shorter time because the only thing it serves right now are stupid corporations.

[feotakahari]

I'm not sure I agree with the statement that deconstructions are very different from the original, but you don't really seem interested in this argument, so I'll back off. Sorry.

[forgottenjester]

It's just that's we're arguing about something that we, in general, agree on. You have said nothing I disagree with. Nothing. So I'm confused and a bit frustrated. I don't want to sound mean. Sorry. I just don't like arguing over something if the person I'm arguing with agrees with me and I with them. Because then it's not arguing. It's agreeing with someone in a very antagonistic manner. Which is really only funny if it's intentional.

As for deconstructions, well, that gets into the argument/question of "What is an adaptation and what is a work that is merely inspired by something else?" I honestly spent an entire quarter in college going over that question/debate so I can tell you truthfully, there is no right answer. There probably never will be. Adaptations are all about person feelings of "is it different enough?" and that's never going to be answered the same way by two different people. It's a feeling we get. It's an opinion. Unfortunately laws can be based on these opinions. I find these laws tend to be shaky, grey, and normally ill-suited for actual use.