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[Outlander]

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[The Walking Dead]

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[How I Met Your Mother]

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[Twitch Plays Pokemon]

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[Batman, Kill La Kill, Borderlands]

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[Overlord]

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[Red Dwarf]

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[Paranatural]

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[Pitch Perfect]

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[Insidious: Chapter 2]

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I completely loved it. I'm not religious, either, and I didn't really see it as him finding religion. To me it came across as more him making peace with his past and finally letting himself move on from what happened to his daughter, and although it wasn't explicitly stated, maybe even forgiving himself for the guilt I think he felt over her death. He obviously seemed to have a newfound perspective on life, the way he kind of let his guard down with Marty in the last scene, and with the last line, he was the optimistic one for once. I think it was more of a finding faith in humanity/hopefulness about life type of thing, which of course isn't exclusive to religion, but that's just my take. I know a lot of people thought it definitely WAS religious, though, and I have no idea what the actual intention on the writer's part was.

I was kind of surprised how many people were pissed off about the ending because there wasn't some shocking twist. I got into it super late (I didn't watch until last week, and watched the first 7 episodes at once) but to me it was more about the characters and their journey than solving the mystery and answering all the questions, anyway.

It's funny, on the surface it has a lot of similarities with the ending of Lost, which I thought was the second worst ending of a show ever, but for some reason here it really, really worked for me.

Edited 2014-03-11 00:52 (UTC)

I love your take! I agree on thinking that it was a good ending. It had no shock value whatsoever, but I think we have all been way too indoctrinated in this sense. I LOVED that they survived. And to be honest I was expecting an optimistic ending, because the rest of the show was so grim... I needed to see Rust take a new direction, and I liked that it happened also thanks to his partner being close to him and helping him FINALLY talk it all out.

"maybe even forgiving himself for the guilt I think he felt over her death."
Oh yes, I have never been happier to see that happening.

I think the fact that left me feel weird was that I can't understand what the writer was hinting at. I also think it was simply what we both said here, but I'm seeing many people give very different takes, so I suppose the writer maybe wanted to make it purposefully vague. It doesn't matter what Rust found to make him decide to go on, it's important that he finally found it within himself and not on his cases.

It had no shock value whatsoever, but I think we have all been way too indoctrinated in this sense.

I think so, too...nowadays it's more surprising when there's NOT some crazy twist. There was an interview with the writer where he basically said the same thing, and that they weren't looking to trick or lie to the audience, that it was all pretty straight forward.

I LOVED that they survived. And to be honest I was expecting an optimistic ending, because the rest of the show was so grim... I needed to see Rust take a new direction, and I liked that it happened also thanks to his partner being close to him and helping him FINALLY talk it all out.

I loved that they survived, too. I honestly didn't know what to expect in those last few minutes...I wouldn't have been at all surprised if they hadn't survived, but I love that it ended on such a hopeful note.

I think the fact that left me feel weird was that I can't understand what the writer was hinting at. I also think it was simply what we both said here, but I'm seeing many people give very different takes, so I suppose the writer maybe wanted to make it purposefully vague. It doesn't matter what Rust found to make him decide to go on, it's important that he finally found it within himself and not on his cases.

Yeah, I think maybe it was supposed to be purposefully open-ended. Obviously some people are pissed they didn't address every single tiny plot point (like, why did they imply Audrey had been molested if they weren't going to do anything with it, etc.) but I think if they'd spent more time answering questions that, IMO, didn't really matter much, it would've taken away from the emotional stuff, which I thought was ultimately the whole point of the show.

why did they imply Audrey had been molested if they weren't going to do anything with it
Oh, loved that they didn't pursue that avenue, because the point of the finale was also that evil is all around you and you just can't cast light everywhere. Maybe not 'the point', but a necessary conclusion. Audrey was probably a victim, and his dad, while pursuing similar cases and also enjoying way too much the company of young girls, wasn't even aware of it.

Anyway, to be honest I thought that Audrey had simply been over exposed to his dad and had maybe seen/heard something she shouldn't have and she was extremely precocious. I wasn't sure it could imply necessarily abuse. But it would make a lot of sense and it would actually make me like the show's focus even more.

(at work and can't remember my password to log in!)

The whole 'Audrey was molested' thing is something something I'd seen a lot of people mention, but I'm not sure what to think. I had that thought early on (but then sort of forgot about in with everything else that was going on) so it wouldn't surprise me at all if that was the case because a lot of things point to it. But the people who decided she definitely was and that it had to be Maggie's dad who did it seemed to be kind of jumping to conclusions, I thought.

I agree that one of the messages of the finale was that there's going to be evil/darkness/bad people/however you want to word it around, and you're never going to be able to get rid of all of it/them. I think another one was that sometimes you don't get answers and that's just the way it is, and Audrey's story seemed to tie into both of those things. I guess they could've done another few episodes and explained every little unanswered question, but I'm glad they didn't go that route.

I adored the ending, and I was so gratified that they both made it out alive. Their difficult relationship finally becoming an actual friendship made it even better.

Some of my friends were disappointed, mostly because they expected more information about the cult and all the participants being taken down. I think I had an advantage because I'd been reading Pizzolatto's interviews from the very start. He outright said that he wasn't out to fool the viewers, and when I saw the skill and level of writing that went into this series, and how perfectly put together it was, I decided to trust him implicitly. After about the 3rd or 4th episode he did an interview where he commented on the fan theories he'd seen. He was grateful that people were so engaged with the show, but wondered how so many theories could be so out in left field, as it were, and blamed it on the fact that American audiences have been tricked and lied to -- he might even have said "abused" -- for the past 20 years.

I've now watched the finale three times, and I keep seeing things I missed the first time around. The ending always makes me tear up, though. I love the sustained theme of storytelling, and I love how the writer brought everything full circle -- including the fact that the show ended with Marty asking Rust to talk to him about what he was going through whereas in Ep 1, he was begging Rust to shut up.

It's both good literature and great television, and I'm not sure there's ever been another show this perfect before. I sure hope it starts a trend, though.

I think I had an advantage because I'd been reading Pizzolatto's interviews from the very start.

I think the way I watched it was probably to my advantage as well. If I'd watched the episodes every week as they came out I'm sure I would've been reading commentary and discussing it with people, and I think that definitely would've changed the way I saw things. But in waiting until almost the end I pretty much avoided anything related to the show online because I didn't want to get spoiled, so there wasn't anything to influence my interpretation. And honestly, when I first started reading all the stuff about all the crazy theories out there I was really surprised because just watching it on my own I never got the impression that it was that kind of show. So it was kind of nice to have Pizzollatto confirm that there wasn't going to be some out there twist. And of course, showrunners/creators have been known to lie before, but I decided to just go with it, and I'm glad I did.

I'm not sure there's ever been another show this perfect before

I think I'm starting to agree. I can't remember the last time (if ever) I've seen a series that was so brilliant all the way through the end. Granted, I guess that's easier to do when it's this short, but still. The more I think about it the more amazing it seems.

A short series can still be imperfect or a mess, but I suspect the 8 episode format made the writer especially aware of how he had to make every scene count. I can't think of one scene in True Detective that was unnecessary. Everything we saw either developed the characters, established the setting, or moved/revealed the plot. I can't think of anything in the show I'd call gratuitous; even the nude/sex scenes (which HBO often goes overboard with) were used well. I've watched some good television over the years, but given the way the writing, direction, acting, cinematography, and design all come together, I'm not sure there's ever been anything on American TV to compare with this. Breaking Bad, maybe.

(at work and don't have my password to log in)

Oh, yeah, I agree that something short can definitely be a mess, I just think that it was an advantage that it was shorter. If it'd been longer there would've been more opportunity to wander off course and lose focus...like you said, they had to make every scene count.

Breaking Bad's been on my list of things to watch for years. Maybe I'll watch it next.

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