[ SECRET POST #2627 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2627 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Malcolm In The Middle, Everybody Loves Raymond, Home Improvement, Rescue Me, Prison Break]


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03.
[Michelle Kwan]


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04.
[Bear Nuts by Alison Acton]


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05.
[Supernatural]


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06.
[OP note: pic credit to Ksenia Nurtdinova]


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07.
[Seanan McGuire, Jonathan Ross and his wife Jane Goldman]


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08.
[Karen Gillian/Doctor Who]


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09.
[Mary Poppins (1964 movie)]


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10.
[El Goonish Shive]


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11.
[Noragami]


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Comments

[fauxkaren]

I'm pretty sure she said something about not experiencing sexism or not needing feminism or something like that a few years back so um... yeah.

Anyway, I wouldn't expect her to criticize the writer and character who launched her career.

[(Anonymous)]

Really? Yikes. I cringe a bit when women say things like that because I just think... come on, it can't be true. Beautiful women might not get the same misogynistic abuse from horrible people ("Hey, you fat bitch!") but they get plenty of abuse all of their own. Even if she managed to escape from anyone ever creeping on her for being young and hot, she should at least be sensitive of the fact that not all women are so fortunate.

[fauxkaren]

lol yeah and like... sexism is still a part of her life whether she realizes it or not.

In the Doctor Who Confidential of "The Eleventh Hour" Moffat told a ~hilarious~ anecdote about how from looking at her headshot, he thought Karen would be 'wee and dumpy' and then he saw her in person and she was gorgeous!

rme

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, Moffat is gross.

[(Anonymous)]

I stopped watching Confidential because of Moffat's unneeded creepy little laughs about stuff. I wasn't even trying to dislike Moffat at that stage. It just made me sad.

[ryttu3k]

The whole quote is goddamn nasty.

"And I thought, 'well she's really good. It's just a shame she's so wee and dumpy’...When she was about to come through to the auditions I nipped out for a minute and I saw Karen walking on the corridor towards me and I realised she was 5'11, slim and gorgeous and I thought 'Oh, oh that'll probably work.'"

From the sound of it, he was going to dismiss her until he noticed she was hot.

[(Anonymous)]

Perhaps she's never had a reason to think about it.

[(Anonymous)]

whoa, really?

Though, tbh, I haven't really experienced much 'direct' sexism in my life... I'm very aware of it systemically and I'm sure it's affected my life in some ways, but I've not really had sexism directed at me by actual people. I've never felt held back by being a woman or anything. That's different from saying we don't need feminism, though. Just because I don't feel particularly affected doesn't mean that it's not a major problem...

I find it a bit hard to believe a beautiful actress on a big cult show like that hasn't experienced sexism, though (unfortunately.)

[fauxkaren]

I think that she is just... oblivious to it? Like I'm sure she's experienced sexism, but she probably just doesn't notice it.

[(Anonymous)]

Women like her get REWARDED. Sexism isn't this thing that is bad to all women, all the time, or women would never have put up with it. Gotta have the carrot and the stick, and Gillian got and went for the carrot.

[duaedesigns]

For me it was a background thing. Like.. you don't notice it until it's pointed out because it's normal.

Like getting interrogated on wearing nerdgear. That's a normal part of being a geek, right? You go out in a shirt and people come up and with a skeptical look go "So.... do you actually watch the show?" Until I started going out with my boyfriend and he got "Oh hey! I love that show too!" instead of "Do you actually watch it?"

[(Anonymous)]

I'm female and I don't even experience a lot of the things people say are normalized so we don't notice them. I consciously notice that they don't happen to me, after other women say they're a thing. If I wear something nerdy, the worst I get is a slightly surprised "Oh, you like that show?"

[diet_poison]

Overt sexism became way more apparent to me when I got seriously into a hobby that's ~98% male-dominated (though it shouldn't be). Also when I started spending more time online. (Those two things happened at around the same time.)

I'd noticed it before, but always assumed it was rare.

[(Anonymous)]

For me, sexism was something I only really started to noticeably experience in my late 20s. This is probably because I had been gaining more independence in my life and more responsibility and authority professionally, and all of that reached a point where I stood out to the type of people who are likely to be sexist. It's easy not to be sexist towards a woman whom you see as already lacking in power because she isn't a threat or someone who needs to be "put in her place." I think that's why it's easy to grow up thinking feminism is unnecessary and outmoded. Girls don't experience a lot of the types of sexism they may have heard about because they're children who don't have jobs and aren't trying to run for political office. (They may still experience a lot of harassment and sexual aggression, but I think it's easier to convince oneself this isn't related to sexism and isn't a feminist issue.) I've been fortunate not to experience a lot of direct sexism academically, professionally, in fandom, or among my friends and family, but it still crops up often enough with the public at large.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not till I've gotten a lot older than I've started seeing feminism is a useful concept. I didn't liek the term or a lot of things associated with it earlier, and didn't really understand the importance. I think we need new words sometimes for younger people to get behind concepts that are always imporatnt. (Yeah, it's silly, perhaps, but didn't the younger generation come up with the lgbt instead of gay rights?)

[elephantinegrace]

Did she actually say those things, or was the article only quoting some things? Because I really, really want to keep liking her and...too late. Ugh.

[fauxkaren]

“Feminism is not the issue any more, not for me anyway. It’s just never occurred to me that a woman wouldn’t be equal, in any sphere, to a man. It’s nothing that has ever come up in my life and nothing I’ve thought about in terms of Amy.”

http://metro.co.uk/2010/06/15/karen-gillan-on-feminism-uproar-390558/ for context

tbh i just think she doesn't really understand feminism or sexism

[diet_poison]

yeah, it didn't sound malicious, just clueless. And really sheltered.

[elephantinegrace]

Yeah, I'm just getting a headshakingly ignorant vibe from her more than a I-want-to-throttle-her vibe.

[(Anonymous)]

This really doesn't seem that bad. She's saying that she personally lives in a world where she doesn't feel inferior and she assumes all women are equal. She's not even saying that it wouldn't apply to other people. Just that it's not a concern of hers.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, geez. That sounds... really naive, is the most kind thing I can say about it. There's a lot of women who think that way, though. They honestly believe that somehow acknowledging such a thing as feminism is admitting weakness. I don't get it.

[othellia]

It's a mixture of hillari-sad that she mentions Amy when Amy probably had the most sexist development arc of all the new!Who companions.

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't expect her to be critical either. Criticizing your former bosses is any business is dicey, much more so in show business. She may be telling the truth, or she may just realize that badmouthing people you've worked with, and who have connections themselves in the industry, is not the best way to get jobs in a very competitive profession. It's not just corporate offices where the 'team-player' is the one who gets ahead.