[ SECRET POST #2629 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2629 ⌋

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Comments

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I don't know what to tell you, man, or if you'll even ever come back to this thread, but I was more interested in talking about why geographical and racial realism can matter in fantasy (and, well...why realism can matter at all in fantasy). Like I said, I personally wouldn't have difficulty suspending my disbelief if there were principle characters of other races in 'Frozen.' As you inadvertantly pointed out, the nod to realism on that front, if someone wanted it, could be immigration.

Maybe mimi's platform was "I will justify preferring to watch white people." Mine was "a work of fantasy needs an anchor in reality." But perhaps the mistake was in choosing to present it in this thread.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the one that started this side thread (and man did I miss a busy day) but my point was more along the lines of "You can't advocate for ethnic diversity by stomping all over other ethnicities." Also "It is obvious when companies include minorities because they've been told they have to."

When real companies were feeling the pressure from feminist groups to hire more females, they did. And everyone knew that the only reason those females were hired was because there was now a quota of women needed at the office. No matter how talented that woman was, even if she could easily have gotten the job on her own, no one would ever believe it. People rolled their eyes and dismissed them. It didn't break the glass ceiling, it reinforced it. That sort of ham-handedness rarely works.

Also, it should be noted that 'white' is no more a culture than 'Asian' is. Most Disney movies are set in a basic Western European culture, so I was fascinated with the hints of the Sami and the inclusion of some Scandinavian folklore (like the trolls) and I wish they'd explored that more. That isn't anything that showed up in The Little Mermaid, or Beauty and the Beast, or Sleeping Beauty, or Cinderella. Tangled, with it's generic medieval setting, would have been a better choice for having POCs because it's *not* already exploring a different culture.

Yes, I *do* get knocked out of stories/films when things are unrealistic in that manner. The giant, neon "LOOK AT ME, I'M SO ENLIGHTENED" sign gets in my way. There are better ways of handling race relations than this.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

NO ONE WILL WATCH A SERIES ABOUT DARK SKINNED PEOPLE DOING SNOW MAGIC
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140122221731/avatar/images/2/28/Entrance.png

IT WILL FAIL.

http://images.wikia.com/avatar/images/archive/4/4b/20130120155230!Southern_Water_Tribe_waterbenders.png

HORRIBLY.

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140119164142/avatar/images/d/da/Pakku_waterbends.png

Because if you don't have a basis in reality that cold = albino no one will be able to suspend their disbelief at the brown people doing whitepeople magic.

Having a basis in reality is fine. Having the 'reality' be 'everyone's white' is... I don't even know what to say.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

How many times does someone have to say "I personally would be able to suspend my disbelief" before you get that the person you're talking to would be able to suspend their disbelief?