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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-03-16 04:20 pm
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[ SECRET POST #2630 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2630 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-03-16 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Why? Is it because we insert ourselves into them?
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[personal profile] inkdust 2014-03-16 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Noun gender isn't determined by logic.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-16 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, IT SHOULD BE.

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(Anonymous) 2014-03-16 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Case in point: the word for manliness in Latin is grammatically feminine.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-17 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)
In my language as well!
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[personal profile] inevitableentresol 2014-03-16 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
And what about all the objects for which the gender is neuter?

The car - neuter.
The girl - neuter.
The rabbit - neuter.
The uranium - neuter.

What does that say?

Yeah, this secret doesn't make much sense to me.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-17 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
Our cats are female and our rabbits are male :

(Anonymous) 2014-03-17 02:33 am (UTC)(link)
In Norwegian dialects, these words are almost always female, even when there's a pressure to make feminine words neutral:

girl, dog, cow, hen, street, village, hillside, bog, meadow, island

...I wonder why?
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[personal profile] silvereriena 2014-03-16 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you saying you view all of the cars as feminine in the French dub or...?

(Anonymous) 2014-03-16 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
It's the same in Russian and I still don't get you.
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[personal profile] astridv 2014-03-16 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, same in German, and I don't get it either. In the majority of cases the gender is assigned totally randomly, so why would it lend itself to social commentary?
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[personal profile] ellethill 2014-03-16 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm assuming the OP is mostly referring to the male characters (which are cars, which in French, Russian, and other languages, are grammatically feminine); there is unintentional context/commentary in these cases because the male characters in the original English dubbing tend to be stereotypically written in a certain way (well okay, so do the female characters, but that wasn't my point), and this creates complications or awkward moments with the dubbing when they need to be referred to with feminine pronouns, declinations, and so on because the objects themselves (in this case the car) are "feminine". And this can draw attention to current expectations of male or female roles in stories.

...I'm probably not making much sense, it's kinda late, sorry about that.
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[personal profile] astridv 2014-03-16 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Still doesn't make sense to me. In German, "the girl" for example is assigned a neutral gender, but the girl itself is still female. The preposition just doesn't register. "The person" is female, gramatically, but you could be talking about a man or a woman.

Ah well, I have to go to bed too. This mystery shall have to wait for another day.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-17 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
It makes sense in that prepositions couldn't be used with the 'car' interchangeably. As in: Did you see Doug, the green car? may sound awkward.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-17 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
As someone who's first language has gendered nouns ... no, it doesn't. It doesn't sound awkard. Grammatical genus doesn't register if you grew up with it. A person still is female, even though grammatically she will be referred to as neuter/male. It doesn't matter.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-17 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, the adjectives are also gendered, so it's that part that doesn't sound so smooth. However it's not overly noticeable, so I agree with you, mostly.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-16 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Should I post "The Tale of the Fishwife and Its Sad Fate"?

(Anonymous) 2014-03-17 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
You do realize gendering in language has next to nothing to do with HUMAN gender, right...?

We could call it "Noun-type A" and "Noun-type B", and it would be the same.
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