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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-03-20 06:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #2634 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2634 ⌋

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[Lady Gaga]


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[free!, attack on titan]


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(Panic! at the Disco)


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(Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.)


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[personal profile] philstar22 2014-03-20 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
With Elizabeth Bathory, I absolutely believe that she was either framed or at least the stories about her were greatly exaggerated to discredit her. With Gilles de Rais, though, not so much. There is corroborating secular evidence, his confession, and plenty of other evidence supporting it being true and very little if any evidence suggesting that it isn't. I'm absolutely willing to believe the church would (and in some cases did) craft conspiracy theories like that. But I don't think they did in this case.

But yes, they are the two fictional characters who come up most, after Vlad III aka Dracula (who actually was nothing like any of the fictional portrayals, but that's another story).

(Anonymous) 2014-03-21 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
I'm actually the other way around. Mostly because in Bathory's case there were actual bodies as well as witness/survivor testimony, and because her initial accuser was Protestant, making the 'Church conspiracy' angle more unlikely.

However, I could well see the extent of her crimes having been exaggerated. The number of victims seems to climb drastically the further from the original you go, though given the accomplice testimonies something like 70 victims seems plausible.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-21 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
because her initial accuser was Protestant

you're going there?

(Anonymous) 2014-03-21 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
Going where? I meant that a conspiracy by the Catholic church to discredit her is made less likely when the initial complaints and accusations were made by a Lutheran. Unless we're positing a pan-Christian conspiracy and/or her accuser falsely declaring himself, anyway.