[ SECRET POST #2637 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2637 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Racism_in_Tolkien's_Works

Also, there have always been POC in Britain and in Europe in general.

[(Anonymous)]

So because there were PoC they must be represented in all works no matter how marginal they were to those societies at those times?

[(Anonymous)]

"In all works". Mm-hm. How about like, half of them? A tenth? Ever?

How about enough so that most people didn't have to be surprised by the fact that yeah, PoC have always been in Europe, and maybe didn't have to claim that it would be "unrealistic" for a period piece set in Europe to have non-white characters?

[(Anonymous)]

It seems to me that when you criticize specific works (or fancasts, or whatever) for not including PoC, you are implicitly demanding that all works and fancasts include PoC. OP is going as far as saying that you're a racist if you don't. I mean, I'm not exaggerating here! That's literally the text of what OP is saying!

I agree with what you're saying here that it's not unrealistic and that there should be more situations and works that have PoC. But there's a gap between that argument and the broader ones that people seem to want to make about what writers Must Do.

Ah, I don't know, I'm sure I'm overreacting to some extent. Just a weird, absolutist vibe that comes up sometimes.

[(Anonymous)]

Stop pushing an American term into Europe, please and thank you.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a European non-native English-speaker, so I apologise for my mistakes. It's very tricky trying to be PC in a language that's not your own. Can you suggest a more appropriate term for Europe?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not even going to bother. Here, have a copy/pasted response:

The point is not that these characters must be white, it's that there is reason enough why someone -- even someone who doesn't consider "white to be the default" -- would see them as being white. You could fancast characters whose races aren't specified as PoCs, and that would be a valid interpretation, but it isn't more valid than someone else's interpretation, be it white or PoCs-of-a-differing-ethnicty. You don't get to pull the race card to get one over people.