[ SECRET POST #2637 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2637 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[dazzledfirestar]

I'm not moving the goal posts, sunshine. I'm sort if having the choice between pic characters not existing in fic or being represented as an evil hurdle for your precious white boys to get over doesn't seen like parts of the same issue to you but it is.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Goalpost moving, a timeline:

dazzledfirestar Claim #1: "the break up pairing tends toward the het or interracial pairings" because fandom is sexist and misogynistic

Counterargument #1: Most canon pairings are het, so break up pairings are mostly het.

dfs Claim #2: The problem isn't that the break up pairing is het, but that the female half of the pairing is character-bashed. (goalpost moved!)

Counterargument #2: Breaking up an established pairing isn't exclusive to het; I see it a lot in m/m slash, too.

dfs Claim #1.5: When this happens in m/m slash, it's usually a PoC dude who gets shafted. (goalpost not moved)

Counterargument #2.5: Actually, I've mostly seen this happen with white/white slash pairings or Asian/Asian slash pairings, which are some of the biggest fandom pairings.

dfs Claim #3: Sexism! Racism! QED! (goalpost moved again!)


None of the anons above has tried to argue that there isn't racism or misogyny in fandom, and I'm certainly not arguing that myself. But I'm also not at all persuaded by your claim that breakup pairings disproportionately involve women and/or POC (taking into consideration Anon #1's point that any story breaking up a canon pairing is automatically more likely to be breaking up a het pairing).

Your insistence that interracial pairings involving male POC are more prone to breakup fic is especially puzzling to me, since I can only think of a single fandom supporting your claim: Teen Wolf has a bunch of Scott/Stiles or Danny/Stiles breakup fics with a Derek/Stiles endgame. As counterexamples, though, see Welcome to Night Vale (Cecil/Carlos is the fandom OTP), Leverage (Hardison/Parker is more likely to become an OT3 than to break up in fic), Star Trek (Sulu/Chekov is a major pairing that's rarely broken up), The Losers (ditto Cougar/Jensen), and One Direction (Zayn/Liam is probably the second most popular pairing, and it's rarely broken up).

If you can provide some examples besides the abovementioned Teen Wolf that back up your position, I'd be happy to reexamine your argument in that light. As it stands now, though, your claim doesn't at all match up with my fandom experiences.

[dazzledfirestar]

And yet, still no answer as to why half the break up pairing has to be demonized/abusive.

You want another example. Go cruse the Avengers fandom for awhile.