[ SECRET POST #2638 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2638 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's true. So far, there was only one chapter where the battles annoyed me, (forty-something? that one where there was like no dialogue at all in the entire chapter), but overall the battles don't drag out, and we don't have the trading off to fight bosses structure going on either.

Like I said, I've read a lot of shounen and while AoT reads to me as somebody who's a bit inexperienced with long plot construction, I definitely feel like he's trying to keep things moving. Unlike a lot of shounen which is like STUFF HAPPENS. THEN MORE STUFF HAPPENS (and lots of powerups on the way).

[applemagpie]

Again, agreed. Because it's labelled as shounen, I think a lot of people tend to expect that it follows similar shounen tropes and narrative structures, but for the most part it really doesn't. And actually, with the way it's currently being told, I don't even see how Shingeki could stretch out to the same length as say, DBZ, without having to turn to a different story altogether. Because even if it's kind of marketed as such, the series isn't actually about fighting Titans. The plot is a lot more succinct than that.

[ketita]

It's true. I mean, okay, there are some series that seem succinct and managed to drag it on via bizarre plot twists and red herrings for ages, like 20th Century Boys (I know it's a classic, but man that series annoyed me so much).
But so far SNK doesn't do the ~~haHA!!~~ thing much, even though you have plot twists and reveals. So far nothing has seemed like it's leaping outside of the general plot.

I do think it's kind of badly paced in that I'm bothered that apparently now no titans are doing anything, leaving the Scouting Legion free to plan their coup however they want, and um what is the ape titan doing because turning villages into titans is kind of a big deal...? So in that sense, the different plot elements are unbalanced. But it was clear from the beginning that the government was totally corrupt and they'd probably have to do something about that.

[applemagpie]

Oh boy, 20th Century Boys. That's a great example of a series that seemed like it had a succinct plot, but managed to drag itself on and on, and go all over the place. But for Shingeki, it really feels like Isayama has pre-storyboarded most of the plot, and is right now pretty much following it by the book.
I definitely agree with you about the pacing. Like you said, Isayama isn't great with the whole long plot construction thing. And I feel like he's so intent on revealing things at the right time, that everything just gets focused on one by one. (Like before, Eren's power reveal! Now, military police reveal!) I do find the story intriguing enough that I'm still following the series and not forcing myself to care about it, but yeah. Not perfect storytelling on his part.

[ketita]

Exactly! I was really interested in 20th Century Boys at the beginning, but then it just got all wtf. And honestly, I was like who the fuck cares who "Friend" is, shoot the fucker and let's move on.

Yeah, AoT isn't perfect, but I don't mind going along with it for the ride to see how it ends up. TBH I prefer a series that tries to have a real plot (even if it's not paced the best) over the fluff that barely even pretends to be cohesive or properly planned.
You're definitely right on him always focusing on one plot element - maybe that's his big weakness, really. Only one thing can be spotlighted at any given moment, so the plot ends up kind of disjointed. But I am having fun, so I don't mind :)

[applemagpie]

I felt the exact same way about 20th Century Boys, let me tell you.

I prefer a series that tries to have a real plot (even if it's not paced the best) over the fluff that barely even pretends to be cohesive or properly planned.
Same. Isayama's storytelling and art might be on the rough side, but it's honestly that what makes up for it.

[ketita]

So many anime these days feel like a collection of tropes, rather than trying to construct an actual story. So I definitely appreciate that AoT is a plot-driven series, no fanservice. It makes me hope that maybe its success will lead to more people to try and pull off grand plotty stories rather than moeshit all day...

At least someone agrees with me! So many people seem to love 20th Century Boys so much and I was just annoyed for most of it.

[applemagpie]

Yeah, Shingeki is refreshing for the genre at the moment, and you have to give it kudos for that.

Honestly, I feel like the rampant 20th Century Boys love mostly has to do with Urasawa worship. Other than the start, it was just a mess, and it felt like nothing was ever getting resolved. Annoying's a good word for it.