[ SECRET POST #2638 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2638 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

this isn't dishonest manipulation of statistics. if you actually follow up on their sources you'll note that they are institutional in nature. it's essentially census data that can be backed up.

i think it's really shitty that some of you are so hellbent on blaming women for their own rapes, doubting them and acting like rape culture doesn't permeate society, that you'd rather sit there and whine about legitimate sources being provided for you than acknowledge that rapists are all over the place and no, most of them do not ever sit a moment in jail for their heinous actions.

[(Anonymous)]

i think it's really shitty that some of you are so hellbent on blaming women for their own rapes

Who here is blaming women for their own rapes? I don't see anyone doing that.

Here's why people want legitimate sources (the ayrt already explained, but let me see if I can rephrase it): when bad sources are used to prove things like this, it provides ammunition for the other side. I'm guessing you haven't seen rape deniers/apologists point to the use of bogus stats to discredit feminists and victims' advocates, but I definitely have. Shit, I saw a columnist in the Wall Street Journal do it, back when the Obama administration first started trying to take the military to task for its piss-poor handling of sexual assault.

Good sources help us. Bad sources hurt us.

I would also add that accurate information is more useful for solving problems. Bogus stats can behave like red herrings and drive attention away from the central issue. I'm not saying that that's necessarily what's going on here, but given that the potential is there, we need to be savvy.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, well, I never once blamed anyone -- man or woman -- for his or her own rape. Never. One. Single. Time. So I don't really know why on earth you're suddenly on about that.

But here, I'll throw you a bone: "deeply flawed source" was poorly chosen wording in its ambiguity and failure to convey my real meaning. It's not that the source itself is untrustworthy or assailable or doing anything wrong. IT'S THAT THE DATA BEING REPORTED IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO HOW RAINN IS TRYING TO USE IT. It is a flawed source for the purpose it is being wielded. SURVEYS that poll people by some sampling method about unreported crime events in their lives (in which sexual assaults were actually lumped in with other types of violent crime for a long time, so that data couldn't even be properly differentiated) cannot be put on the same scale as actual review of actual reported cases and actual investigation records and actual court proceedings and actual verdicts and actual sentences. The former is not a part of the documented record; the latter is. They are apples and oranges, statistically speaking, and mashing them all together is dishonest.

And dishonesty makes for a liar. You know, someone who shouldn't be trusted in their arguments about things? And who make me, in considering the cause they're advocating for, seriously wonder whether the problem is with the CAUSE if a lie is necessary for it. And frankly, FUCK people who invite that cloud of suspicion on the serious and legitimate issues that surround rape and give misogynist assholes their talking points. Excuse me for caring enough to be pissed at liars doing damage to the legitimacy of the message.