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⌈ Secret Post #2643 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Classism in fandom

[(Anonymous)]

Like using poverty as a way to convey that the characters are "purer" or "truer to themselves" or than the materially "obsessed". As though poverty or homelessness is a exercise in character building. No one is actually a better person (nor do they become one) through being destitute.

Re: Classism in fandom

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I'm another that likes reading about destitute characters, but not because it makes them good people. If it's an intelligent character, it makes them more harshly practical people who are forced to have their priorities together, morals aside. Fictional characters being destitute is interesting because it makes the story a lot more stark and brings out character traits that might not have been as evident, had they been left in a comfortable uneventful upper/middle class life... just like every other situation with lots of physical and mental strain strain (war, death of a loved one, forced to move to a different country, et cetera) in which one could throw a character.

Would you call that romanticizing it?

Re: Classism in fandom

[(Anonymous)]

It CAN be romanticizing it if you don't actually know what the hell you're talking about (just like stories about war can be romanticizing if you don't have any idea of what is involved in war), but not necessarily.

However, I do think that's a rather one-sided way of looking at it. The amount of people with genuine empathy and kindness is not across-the-board diminished by poverty, especially when living in a community of other poor people. What is diminished is the amount of convenient, guilt-induced, ass-patting niceness and righteousness that only privileged people have the means to display.

Re: Classism in fandom

[(Anonymous)]

I've been poor in the past, so I do have a clue about it.

When I said harsh about priorities, I didn't mean they weren't without genuine empathy and kindness? I meant for example if one parent can't afford to buy a child a Christmas present, they both have to deal with that harsh reality, but that doesn't mean s/he doesn't care or can't be heartbroken about it. Likewise, the parents in the same situation next door might not give a shit and think it's teaching their child about the real world and how you can't always get what you want and sacrifices have to be made. Of course there's a variety of people, and which character is the parent in question determines how they react. But seeing that reaction or having that reaction happen wouldn't be possible if they were comfortably upper middle class the entire time and never ran into the situation.

The situations being more extreme call for more extreme character reactions, regardless of which way they fall. It's interesting to see.

Re: Classism in fandom

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Another way to put it perhaps is "in more extreme situations, choices matter more." It brings out characters in ways a "comfortable" situation can't. Not always positively, not always negatively.