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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-04-03 06:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #2648 ]


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(Anonymous) 2014-04-03 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but Neville was a shit until the actor playing him in the movies started looking buff and then Rowling did a bit of retconing on his abilities. Neville in the fist few books deserved a complete bollocking just for being so unspeakably shit at everything magic that he was a danger to his classmates. Snape did them all a favor by trying to drive him out.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-03 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
good point...

NOT

(Anonymous) 2014-04-03 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
No.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-03 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
You tried.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-03 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
s/Neville/Snape

Snape's entire life got retconned after Alan Rickman happened.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-03 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Rowling said that Snape was always Rickman in her mind, soooooooo...

(Anonymous) 2014-04-04 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I just reread the books recently and realized movie!Snape, as bad as he is, is waaay toned down from book!Snape. I don't think movie!Snape is ever confirmed as having passed on the prophecy that got Harry's parents killed, and in his memories he's depicted as begging Dumbledore to "save her-- save THEM!" when he tries to get protection for Lily. And he doesn't threaten pets, either. So the Rickmanization of Snape is partly about Rickman being kind of hot, but also partly about the movie character actually being softened quite a bit. If someone didn't go reread some of those doorstop-sized books and just watched the movies, it would be easy to forget just how awful Snape is in the books.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-05 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, his awfulness is definitely toned down in the movies. I can't stand him in the books, but I actually rather enjoy his movie counterpart.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-08 11:45 am (UTC)(link)
Yes! He's more a curmudgeon in the movies, so the fact he's older than the guy in the books works pretty well. And in the movies, he's got quite a few moments where he behaves like a cranky, reasonable guy--or even steps between the kids and a werewolf,which I can't imagine book!Snape doing. Movie!Snape was the kind of teacher you'd dislike at the time but probably wouldn't haunt your nightmares. Book!Snape was another story altogether, and should never, ever have been a teacher.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-03 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Neville was perfectly capable of doing great magic from the first book. He had a hand-me-down wand from his father. One of the teachers should have recognised he wasn't reaching his full potential with that wand and done something about it, just like Ron should have been given a wand that wasn't a danger to himself in the second book. Also his best subject, Herbology was where he got the most encouragement rather then other subjects where he was faced with either exasperation or full-on hostility like with Snape. I think we've all faced a teacher who's mere frustration with us not getting their subject was enough to make our confidence in our abilities nose-dive. Imagine facing that from every teacher and every subject. Hogwarts wasn't magical for Neville like it was for Harry, that's for sure.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-03 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
If Neville wasn't happy at Hogwarts, why didn't he just break his wand and claim to be a squib then? He could have passed as one, and with his only talent being glorified gardening he could still have done the subject.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-03 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
His Grandmother pushed on him to live up to the greatness of his parents and he didn't want to disappoint either her or his parents. He wanted to them proud, especially because his parents had given up their sanity to protect him. He couldn't just snap his wand and throw in the towel. Also, he was a teenager and fitting in and not being radically different from your peers does take importance in a lot of teenager's minds. He was probably scared that being a squib, which by the way wasn't exactly something celebrated in the wizarding world, would open him up to even more ridicule. The only squib Neville had seen around on a frequent basis was Filch and he was probably scared of ending up like him. So he decided to tough it out with school, even though he probably felt like he didn't belong there at all.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-04 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
Have you read the books?

(Anonymous) 2014-04-04 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
I don't read movie novelizations. I think merchandizing tie-ins like that are degrading to real fans.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-04 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
you had me going for a while there. well played

(Anonymous) 2014-04-04 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it is obvious to anyone that the novels aren't movie-merch tie-ins. They weren't written by Allan Dean Foster.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-04 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
If this was a joke, A+, I laughed

(Anonymous) 2014-04-04 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
You win.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-04 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
Funny.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-04 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
Snape was fucking AWFUL to Neville but I actually felt worst for him after what McGonagall did... Sirius Black tore his way into the Gryffindor dorm using Neville's password sheet, and then she forbade him from knowing the password the rest of the year, dooming him to wait outside. So he had to wait for someone else to let him in the dorm, with a known killer trying to get in and showing more than a little tendency for violence... I mean Snape is a horror and all, and sure he threatened poisoning Neville's pet, but this was a little worse for me and I felt soooo bad for that poor little boy here. Really I think all the teachers were horrible people who should never have been in charge of children. But they're all forgiven really (except Umbridge and the evilest DA teachers) because for the most part they're all redeemed in the text, so... you know... it's fiction. Rules are kinda different there :\

(Anonymous) 2014-04-04 06:40 am (UTC)(link)
Seriously (on the in fiction rules are different) because how is it we just shrug our shoulders at Hermione disfiguring someone (without letting anyone know—not even the 11 year olds that signed the paper—what they were agreeing to when they signed it.)?

And everyone is okay with Umbridge being teased about being gang raped, because she is Umbridge...

I liked that JK gave us grey characters, but they weren't treated like grey characters.

It's weird to me people who are all SNAPE SAID MEAN THINGS!

Hello, McGonagall put an 11 in danger so Gryffindor could beat Slytherin in Qudditch, and that mean teacher, Snape, was the only one worried about his safety. Nope Quidditch is much more important that a student's life.

Lets just leave this 13 year old out in the hallway by himself while a murder is on the lose and in the school. Nice.

I will take a teacher that says harsh things to me over one that puts my life in danger any day of the week.

I was rereading the first book the other day and she freaks out on Malfoy (and then Harry and Hermione) because it is just unheard of for students to be out of bed at 1 o'clock in the morning. Except they have a class at midnight once a week. So wouldn't those particular students be out of bed at 1 every single week on their way to bed after class?

And being that there are many different classes not just one...wouldn't there be students every single night out of bed at 1 walking back from class, save the weekends? (Which it was, but still...what if they were doing school work that obviously has to be done for that class in the middle of the night, and as there are classes during the week..it would seem that many students would be out of bed at this time doing school work for it.)

We all know the detention they got for this: to go hunting down a dark creature that was so evil it killed a unicorn in a forest they were forbidden to enter, because there were all sorts of dark things that could kill them in it.

Obviously, I'd chose Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw because they seemed way safer, but if my only options were McGonagall or Snape...I'd go with Snape. Fuck my self-esteem, at least I'd be alive.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-04 07:55 am (UTC)(link)
A surprise for you

Maybe JK Rowling wasn't relying on those particular myths about centaurs

After all CS Lewis had centaurs and they were decidedly not the rapey kind mmkay

(Anonymous) 2014-04-04 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
That's a great theory.

So if something traumatising happens to you I'm allowed to tease you about and sent you into flashbacks purposely—and everyone will think this is oh so funny, as well as that is the right thing to think—as long as it wasn't rape. Good to know.