[ SECRET POST #2649 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #2649 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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04. http://i.imgur.com/eD4bGbG.jpg
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[AlternateHistory.com : Malê Rising]


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[Amelie]


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11. [SPOILERS for Superior Spider-Man]



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12. [SPOILERS for Believe]



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13. [WARNING for rape]

[Orwell]


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14. [WARNING for rape]

[Colditz]


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15. [WARNING for child molestation]


















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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The part that really confuses me is that as far as I'm aware, most Cass fans are also Steph fans, or at least neutral about her. So the issue was just Cass not being Batgirl anymore, not that Steph replaced her.

(I'm a huge fan of both, but I think I like Steph as Batgirl and Cass in a Nightwing-like "graduated" role best for both of them.)

[dethtoll]

Yeah, most people are fans of both -- and of Barbara Gordon, too. There's a continuum of female members of the Batfamily that has something of a rabid fanbase -- probably because they're so intertwined with Bruce and the other boys, they're basically a legitimate family at this point. Babs has always been the first one to call Bruce out on his shit, too.

For the record -- as a Green Lantern fan, "my" GL is Guy Gardner, as he was the one I was exposed to the most when I started reading comics (80s Justice League International ftw.) I never really cared for Captain Whitebread Hal Jordan. When Kyle took over, I initially ignored him until sometime after the Zero Hour event when I just picked up an issue -- don't even remember why -- and started reading. IMO Kyle's era has some of the best stories in comics, especially when Ron Marz was at the helm.

I was not upset when Hal came back. I'd been following his path through villainy and the afterlife (I've said he was more interesting when he was evil or dead) and when he was brought back for GL Rebirth I was genuinely cheering him on. Part of Hal's problem is that his Silver and Bronze Age persona is basically, well... Captain Whitebread, with a bit of douchebag to make things interesting. But Geoff Johns IMO did a lot to save the character, making him a brash, anti-authoritarian daredevil still haunted by his actions as Parallax even if it wasn't his fault.

I kind of miss Kyle's era, I'll admit -- I liked the vintage sci-fi feel of many arcs, especially in the late 90s; but watching the GL corps come back under Kyle's hand was really satisfying to a reader who actually wasn't really interested in GL when it was a corps and not just one guy.

[applemagpie]

Yes, most are, and a lot of Cass fans ship her with Steph (me included). So the Steph example is a bit out of place there. I think most Cass fans' anger after her Batgirl run had nothing to do with Stephanie replacing her, and more to do with her change in her characterization.

[dethtoll]

Which they backpedaled on not long after, too.

[applemagpie]

At least they tried to explain her 'villain-izaton', but her character honestly turned into such a mess

[dethtoll]

And she kind of disappeared after that too. Aggravating.

[applemagpie]

Still mad about it.

[ozaline]

I do know some fans who refused to read anything with Stephanie, but just because of their anger over Cassandra's treatment rather than Stephanie herself.

I think her series was fun, and bubbly but I wouldn't call it vapid like op.

I don't know if I'd ship them cause I've never really seen them interact, the only stories I really read with Cass was when she was in charge of the League of Assassins.

As for Green Lanterns, I think Gardner or Stewart are my favorites.

[gabzillaz]

To be fair there were some unfortunate implications in replacing one of the few POCs in the Bat Family with a white woman and I understand why some Cass fans are still upset about how badly done it was.

[dethtoll]

At least Stephie was an already-established character and member of the Batfamily. Better that than what they usually do.

[gabzillaz]

That's true. I'm not blaming Steph, I love her. But I understand why some Cass fans are still mad about it.

I'm more insulted at OP comparing Cass with Ock tbh.

[the_missing_y]

A white blonde at that. I love white blondes myself, but I also loved Cass and at the time Cass was surrounded by the white blonde supergirl and the white blonde wonder girl Cass really was the last holdout for diversity.

[gabzillaz]

Yeah. Again, I don't blame Steph, but DC had (has) problems with diversity and getting rid of the only WOC in the Bat Family was a shitty thing to do.