[ SECRET POST #2651 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2651 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 051 secrets from Secret Submission Post #379.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 2 - repeat ].
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Comments

[fscom]

03. http://i.imgur.com/NP561Pl.jpg

[belacqua]

Defied it how? Like no forced separation?

I liked Will/Lyra, but the series definitely dropped in overall quality when he was introduced.

[(Anonymous)]

not op

Oh I don't know, I liked Will fine on his own, I just didn't care so much about Will and Lyra together (as a team or as a ship, it was just less interesting than their adventures together). At least afair, it's been 10 years since I last read the books.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know whether it's because of Will or not but I definitely agree. The second two books aren't bad, they're just not close to being on the same level as The Golden Compass which is basically perfect. I think it's just the books aren't as good, cause Will is an interesting character and the relationship isn't inherently bad or anything, just the way it was plotted out.

[(Anonymous)]

I do enjoy the series as a whole, but I loved Lyra so much in the first book, and after Will was introduced, the character she'd been just faded/disappeared and I could never quite forgive that.

[othellia]

This. Even as a kid reading them, I felt that book 2 & 3 Lyra, was COMPLETELY different from book 1. In terms of both screentime (so to speak) and characterization.

[(Anonymous)]

TBH I don't care what people think of this pairing anymore as long as they don't say it was obvious(ly implied) that they had sex at the end.

[ibbity]

Sex seemed really strongly implied though, why do you believe that it didn't happen?

[(Anonymous)]

They were 12 or 13.

[(Anonymous)]

DA
...so? It's not as if teenagers can't be sexual beings, even if I understand that it's mostly taboo or something to talk about it like that here.

[(Anonymous)]

DA, but they just read very much as children to me. So it's possible, but still squicky to me.

[(Anonymous)]

yet another DA

I agree with that, reading as children. It was obviously an intimate moment, but it didn't seem to me like they were heading all the way in that direction. That would have been a jarring step to me based on their characterization and relationship.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm not certain many thirteen year olds go from "first kiss" to "sex" in the course of, like, an hour.

[(Anonymous)]

I was 13 when I lost my virginity, yo. Totally consensual and with my also-13 year old boyfriend. Had a great time. And we also weren't the only ones? 13 year olds have sex.

[diet_poison]

It's been years since I read this, and I don't remember that at all. How was it implied? Not sure if I forgot or it totally flew over my head.

[(Anonymous)]

IIRC, Dust was gathering around them, they touched each other's daemons and found it pleasant, and their daemons settled shortly thereafter. Lyra also lost her ability to read the alethiometer.

I might be wrong, though. It's been a few years since I read the books (though it makes me so happy to see a HDM secret, even if its content is the opposite of how I feel).

[diet_poison]

...huh. I didn't interpret that as sex at all. I thought touching another person's daemon was just a special way to be intimate in that universe. *shrug*

[ibbity]

The actual scene is kind of vague (and iirc pulls a literary "fade to black"), but they kiss and act romancy before the scene cuts away, and are referred to later as "lovers." I interpreted that as they had sex.

[diet_poison]

Hmm, with the "lovers" bit maybe I would have too, had I read it recently. I think I read the series in middle school and didn't have much of a connotation for "lovers" at that point.

[erinptah]

With you there. The two were experiencing sexual feelings, but at their age and experience level, kissing and cuddling would have been more than enough to fulfill the whole "new and exciting stimulation" theme the book required for that plot point.

[(Anonymous)]

I always found the protagonists of HDM so weak. I loved the world-building so much, but I just couldn't bring myself to care about either lyra or Will or any of the things that happened to them.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I generally didn't like how the story eventually came down to falling in love for the first time - and by implied extension, sex - is considered the Big Evil by the Big Oppressive Church.

I didn't mind that the "Falling In Love For The First Time" is what saved the day, just the church=anti-sex implications. That was the bit that was implied by the Adam/Eve analogy in the story.