[ SECRET POST #2651 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2651 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 051 secrets from Secret Submission Post #379.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 2 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[dreemyweird]

I'm really not sure why you wrote "mass-market fiction" here. Unless I'm missing something, "mass-market" refers to the size of the edition and the type of cover. Dunno why you would talk about it as if it's a special genre inherently different from, say, trade fiction.

Advice: go read some actual good literature. Nothing wrong with reading fanfic and webcomics, but that's really not the only place good female characters are found in.

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[(Anonymous)]

I used the term "mass-market" because I wanted to make it clear that I'm not talking about the books that go in the sci-fi and fantasy section. I want to say thrillers, but it's broader than thrillers--it's the kinds of books where even if they aren't cultural phenomena like Harry Potter, you still see people who aren't nerds reading them. (And it's not "popular books," because books like Harry Potter that are popular with both nerds and non-nerds have some good female characters.)

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[othellia]

You mean like Dan Brown/John Grisham/books you see on display at the entrance of airport bookstores?

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[(Anonymous)]

Dan Brown and John Grisham are included in that, yes. But I don't want to say airport novels, because airports also sell romances, and while I have issues with women in romances, they're not shrill or oversexualized.

(Come to think of it, mysteries are genre and basically non-nerdy, and I've seen some good female characters in the ones that aren't full-on thrillers.)

How about this: I dislike a lot of female characters in recent fiction that isn't typically considered "genre," with the exception of the ones in non-genre fiction that's really highbrow and artsy.

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[greenvelvetcake]

while I have issues with women in romances, they're not shrill or oversexualized

...what bodice rippers have you been reading? Did you somehow miss the biggest romance series in the past decade, 50 Shades of Gray, starring one of the worst female characters of all time?

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[(Anonymous)]

I usually use the term 'mainstream fiction' to describe that.

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[(Anonymous)]

The Runaway Jury by John Grisham has a very strong woman as one of the main characters. You don't get much more mass market than that.

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[(Anonymous)]

I'll take that as a rec.

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[(Anonymous)]

SA

Also Jurassic Park by Michael Crichton has strong female characters. The sequel to it, almost overly so. He was also very mass market.

Yes, you can take those as recs.

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[(Anonymous)]

LMAO sarah was my fourth-grade hero and i still want to be her when i grow up.

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[inevitableentresol]

Dr Sarah Harding was almost impossibly badass in The Lost World.

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[elialshadowpine]

Uh. SFF has a VERY strong history in mass-market, so those of us who have been reading the books for longer than the 4 or 5 years that they have been moving towards trade paperbacks are definitely going to get a different feeling from your secret. In fact, I was wondering which SFF book that was from.