[ SECRET POST #2651 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2651 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

There's some really good fanart out there though. I've commissioned some good artists and I don't regret my purchases.

[vethica]

Hell yes. Commissioning is fantastic.

[(Anonymous)]

Yup. And there's equally as amazing fanfic out there. The double standard is still disgusting and fan artists should not be allowed to sell their fan art time same way writers aren't allowed to sell their fic.

[(Anonymous)]

Neither should legally get money for their work. The reason people pay for fanart is because, by and large, the quality is better and it has way more uses. Most fanfic sucks. Even the "good" stuff tends to be of a far lesser quality than the original.

[(Anonymous)]

No.

[(Anonymous)]

That's simply not true. Fanart and fanfiction both have amazing stuff at the top of the pile, and a whole lot of crap underneath it. It's absurd to suggest that the ratio is somehow better for fanart.

[(Anonymous)]

It's way better for fanart that it's not even a competition. I know there's that 99/1 rule for fanfic, but oh my god, not even remotely.

Don't get me wrong. Not all fanart is good, not by a long stretch. But there are so many more fantastic artists than there are writers. But generally the people that continuously read fanfiction eventually develop a sort of goggles for fanfic that makes them more accepting of the general shitty quality.

[(Anonymous)]

No.

[fingalsanteater]

Or, you know, the people that have a weirdo hate boner for fic like you seem to do develop some sort of googles that only see the shitty fic and not all the good to great fic posted out there.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh I don't hate fic. But I really can't get past the godawful writing found in even the supposed best fics of fandom. I love finding great fanfic, but it is so so SO much more rare than great fanart.

Like I said, you have to acquire a taste for fic, which basically means you have to look past how shitty the writing can be.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. For every gem I find fic-wise, there are at least 20 garbage fics I have to sort through to get to it.

With fanart, if I go to DeviantArt or Pixiv and search for my fandom, I get dozens of lovely pictures right on the first few pages. There's more good fanart for it than there is bad.

[(Anonymous)]

Or you're just easier to please with art.

Most people are...and it is really hard to compare the mediums as they are so different from each other.

In my fandom (which is huge) there are about six artists that I can actually enjoy. That I personally see as great. There are tons of artists that I can tell are good at what they do, but I don't personally like their art. It's not my style. Writers on the other hand there are twice as many that I enjoy everything they've ever written. That I see as great. There are still others I can tell are good writers, but they aren't great in my mind.

That doesn't mean the 99/1 that applies for everything in the world doesn't apply for writing in my fandom. It doesn't mean that our writing is better than our fanart. It means that I'm pickier about art.

[(Anonymous)]

Considering that a lot of the professional artists these days start out in the fanart community (and stay in it while professional), but most of the professional writers, especially writers for franchises, do not (or if they once were, they have to cut themselves off once going pro), I'd say that's kind of fair.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure how true this is. I mean maybe they are telling the truth about this, but there are still a lot of professional writers still in fandom. They just keep their identities quiet. But I can understand that if you get big you wouldn't want your fans trying to hunt down your fan fiction. It's your personal life.

[(Anonymous)]

IANAL, but having been forced to learn quite a bit about medial law for my job, I gotta say... No.

The reason people feel safer selling fanart than fanfic is because the chances of getting sued are lower, since unless the original cannon is a series of unconnected still pictures (ie not a movie or animation or anything like that) then the fanart is not in direct competition with the original. No one is going to buy a fanart of Sam and Dean in place of the series, so it doesn't have a material cost to the original creator. Most of the time they could legally move on fanartists if they so chose, but it's not worth the bad will and the cost of litigation.

With fanfiction, on the other hand, not only can it possibly be used as a replacement for the original cannon and potentially harm the original creators financially that way, it can also open them up to lawsuits, since if the actual creator of a series writes an episode or book or something that sounds too similar to a fanfic, they can totally be sued. Sued for writing a story about the characters *they* created. That's why so many authors say they never read *any* fanfic of their works. It forces many authors to look at fanfic very differently from fanart.

I'm sure there's other aspects, but those are two of the biggest differences.

[(Anonymous)]

Dangit, I wish THIS had been the first comment on the thread. Ah well, tucking it aside for the next inevitable time this comes up.

THANK YOU.

[(Anonymous)]

[(Anonymous)]

With fanfiction, on the other hand, not only can it possibly be used as a replacement for the original cannon and potentially harm the original creators financially that way, it can also open them up to lawsuits, since if the actual creator of a series writes an episode or book or something that sounds too similar to a fanfic, they can totally be sued. Sued for writing a story about the characters *they* created. That's why so many authors say they never read *any* fanfic of their works. It forces many authors to look at fanfic very differently from fanart.

Um, nope. Not true and can't.

It has been proven time and again that fan fiction (all fan works) actually get more interest in the show not the opposite. It makes the original more popular and sell more, not the opposite. It never takes away from the original...those are hypothetical ideas that have been proven wrong again and again.

They could not be sued by the fan fiction writers. This is the silliest defence ever. You can not copyright ideas! Unless they took a fan fiction and copied the prose word for word—and then of course they were actually plagiarising—then the fan fiction writer would have no leg to stand on. The judge would laugh them out of court. You know like that guy that tired to sue JK Rowling for using the word Muggle and having a magical school.

Guess, what. You could take the entire plot of Harry Potter and rewrite it with new characters, but as long as the only thing you took was the plot JK Rowling couldn't sue. It isn't copyrightable. Ideas are not copyrightable!

Words are. You could use even one paragraph from the original. You can't use any of the trademarked words. But ideas? Plots? NEVER copyrightable!

These are the two that said the most often and they have no grounding in reality!

[(Anonymous)]

I've commissioned artists for my cross-canon OTPs and gotten lovely results.