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When did this start being a thing? Is it a thing now? It seems like it first began sometime in the '70s, but it seems to have gone through cycles of acceptability since then.

What? What do you mean? Men with emotions?

BANISH THE THOUGHT

It didn't start in the 70s. The idea that male human beings only started having or expressing feelings in 1973 is kinda ridiculous. You could probably say that the social acceptability of a certain way of expressing certain feelings in American culture increased a lot in the late 60s, early 70s, but even then, it's not like it was new.

I think they mean being represented in fiction, or maybe when it became acceptable to portray sensitive guys as something okay rather than hilarious or weak.

I think it goes in cycles. It's not like men were never ever ever portrayed as sensitive any time before the 70s.

I think the same points still apply, though. If you take a wide enough lens there's plenty of times when being emotional and 'sensitive' in fiction was acceptable. You could call it one of the central themes of the Romantic and proto-Romantic movements if you wanted to. So the idea that this was something invented in the 70s, again, is kind of ridiculous. Maybe if they meant the 1770s, when Sorrows of Young Werther was published.

And it's also the kind of idea that often seems to come along with some weird assumptions about culture and politics so I'm more than a little leery of the whole idea.

Maybe it should be acceptable for people of any gender to be "sensitive" or not based on their personality and mood, regardless of whether it's a "thing" at the moment or not.

Wat. You mean guys can be emotional outside of that small window of time between an erection and orgasm

Snopes says that's just an urban myth.

I wouldn't say myth, I've been with guys who hated emotions until they dick was hard, then it was all "I love you, I want to be with you forever" blahblah and went away the second they came.

As far as I can tell this "sensitive guy thing", as you put it, has cycled on and off since the 1600's at least.

You really just have to look at a history book to realize it has variously been fashionable or not fashionable for men to engage in public emotional displays, have non-traditional interests, or just act "girly" for pretty much as long as fashion has been around, I'd wager.

And through all and sundry some idiot will always whinge about how men just aren't men anymore, and ever shall it be so.

Edited 2014-04-11 23:41 (UTC)

http://www.livescience.com/19805-women-recession-dates.html

tl;dr when the economy was good we got sappy romcoms and the notebook and shit, when the economy is bad, we get superheroes. cause thats what we wanna see.

also, everything is framed in terms of evolutionary psychology and alpha and beta males, because fuck the world

Re: this might explain some

(Anonymous) - 2014-04-12 04:16 (UTC) - Expand

It's the same with clothing.

In recession we get very grown-up, tailored, form-fitting and serious clothing. When the economy is good we get flappers and Oxford bags and generally baggy, childish clothing. There's costume historians who have mapped these things.

Tangentially related, but this reminds me of studying classical Japanese literature for a class. At the time period it was considered cultured if a man could express himself with tears, and all the men in the stories were just always reciting poetry and crying.

This is like, the best thing I've heard all day. :D

I was just going to say this, lol. In Japan, all through the Heian period and up until about Kamakura, if you WEREN'T crying and writing poems about 99% of the things in your life, you were basically socially inept.

(Then they did a complete 180, because Japan doesn't do anything halfway, I guess.)

This is true. I'm reading an old Japanese book now with so much male crying in it. It took me a while to realise why it felt odd, it fits in so well with all the rest. The poetry, the men never stop with the poetry. And the hero feels like he's not behaving respectably if he doesn't visit his dozens of mistresses regularly enough.

It almost impossible to get a handle on. Cultural norms change so much.

Roman times.

No seriously.

Now all I can think about is that Family Guy episode where Peter whines about how Quagmire's turned over a new leaf and has gone "all sissy-boy Alan Alda."

I'm met Alan Alda and believe me, if he weren't very happily married he could have any woman he wanted.

Some guys have always been wicked sensitive, don't knock it.

http://youtu.be/vWrzNWYg7vI

http://books.google.com/books?id=44lheqlq-jYC&pg=PA110&lpg=PA110&dq=criticism+of+valentino+safety+razors&source=bl&ots=mRe9CTf1GO&sig=pMOTpXgc0_4Hs2Ym_VUIxA1RDbE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WIVgUumMC6jziwLOt4GwDQ&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=criticism%20of%20valentino%20safety%20razors&f=false

Editorial from the 1920s talking about how men have been turning into a bunch of sissy girly-boys ever since the safety razor was invented.

Ain't no new shit.

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