[ SECRET POST #2659 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2659 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

It's a civil liberties issue. There are, or should be, limits on how much scope the government should have to monitor and control citizens of a country, even if there were no abuse possible of the information. The default should be "the government does not have the right to this information". Because, essentially, we should be free people as much as that's possible.

In the same way that I would not be okay with EG the government recording all phone conversations or recording everyone in society's movements at all times, even if I knew that the information would never be abused, I'm not really okay with this. Yes, it's in pursuit of putting away rapists, which is a good thing, but the scope seems far too broad.

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

Even if they aren't keeping the records after? The article I read (I think it was BBC) said that once a person is cleared so will his file.

And the scope is "everyone who was in the school at the time". How is that too broad?

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

The article I read (I think it was BBC) said that once a person is cleared so will his file.

I didn't see it, that definitely makes it somewhat less bad

And the scope is "everyone who was in the school at the time". How is that too broad?

Cause there's no particular reason to think that any of those people did it, except that they happened to be around the area.

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah...if you believe the government is actually doing that. Because history shows otherwise.

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[honk]

so hundreds/thousands of people having dna samples taken is more of a violation of human rights to you than someone being sexually assaulted?? differences in numbers aside you have to compare the violations here

their taking of dna samples is a response, and one i personally find appropriate. i agree that people deserve their liberties but one of these dudes violated the express freedoms of the survivor in a way that simply doesnt compare to their own

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

no, I think the violation of being sexually assaulted is profoundly worse than the violation of human rights involved in taking the human DNA, but i don't think the one pays back the other, or that the evil done justifies doing something that is wrong and violating civil rights, even if that is much less bad. it's not, like, an equation where you're permitted to do something bad in return as long as it's not as bad as the initial thing.

and yeah, one of those dudes did an awful thing that did violate the freedoms of the survivor, and i don't mind taking away his civil rights - that's more or less what the process of imprisonment is. but we're not just talking about that guy, we're talking about everyone else involved after the fact, and we're also talking about the system of laws and rights and the process of government, and our whole society.

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[honk]

yea i feel u i just happen to think french police are perfectly within their right to catch a dangerous person even at the cost of asking those ~500 dudes to submit to dna testing, however sketch some of you consider it

theyre legally within their right to ask this of these men. i dont normally take an ends justifies the means approach to law/justice but this specific case seems entirely reasonable, if not expected

i knew exactly who raped me & he never saw a day in jail or court for that matter, so speaking from my position i just happen to think whats being done to help this girl is tons better than the alternative, which i have to live with personally