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I do understand, but I think having your DNA on a record is no more harmful to your civil liberties than having your blood taken, or having your fingerprints on record. I'm not talking about micro-chipping, I'm talking about being recognised by your DNA when you commit a crime. It's no more than being "Recorded against your will" by security cameras. as someone who does not live in the nicest of areas, I'd rather have cameras on than not.

Having your blood taken or fingerprints on record - these are things that happen when you're arrested, or at least suspected, for a crime, not just as a matter of course (at least afaik). There's a big difference for me between being arrested or suspected of a crime, and having been in the position to have conceivably been able to have done the crime, in terms of the specificity and how wide the spread of the thing is.

There are benefits to having cameras everywhere and DNA monitoring etc. There are also legitimate concerns about having them everywhere. It's true that this specific instance isn't the worst thing I've ever heard of, but I think it's also OK to be a little bit on guard and skeptical about this sort of thing, even if being DNA tested doesn't harm you personally. And I definitely disagree with the idea that the existence of crime provides a blanket justification of these things (not that you said that it necessarily did, I'm just saying).

Edited 2014-04-15 00:10 (UTC)

(DA)

Eh, in some countries fingerprints are recorded as soon as someone ask their ID after turning 18.
Just a small fact I wanted to point, because overall I agree with you and hate how some governments use crime as an excuse to collect all kind of data from people.

Yeah that's a fair point - I'm definitely speaking from a very America-centric point of view. And I'm probably also kind of confusing how stuff is and how I think it should be.

I got fingerprinted when I got a job at a federal agency.

It was a prerequisite for my tutoring job as well.

In both this case and the one you're replying to, that need was prompted by the individual decision to pursue a particular employment position. Not just...being present and alive somewhere that something bad happened to have occurred. And the consequences of not complying are quite different- you wouldn't be arrested and potentially have your liberty taken from you for a very long time for refusing to provide your fingerprints and have them on file. You would just be removed from contention for a desired position. Different scale of issue, I guess?

DA again

In this country, they destroy the DNA samples/info after the investigation is over. Would that change your opinion on it?

It makes it less bad, yeah. I'd still be kind of worried about it.

Actually no. where I work, since we do handle a lot of Federal things (i.e. Mail), we have our finger prints on file.

so as it is, somewhere, besides at work, I already have my self on file. So don't even go there.

Yeah, like I said above, I'm definitely generalizing and I'm definitely not being clear enough on where I'm thinking about how things are and where I'm thinking about how I think things should be. I should have been more clear that it's really complex and there's lots of different ways in which identity is tracked. I should have been clearer. That said I don't think it really changes the point about tracking private information for use in criminal investigations.

The tests were designed to exclude suspects out of a small pool. Applied to databases of thousands of people, they become substantially less accurate. (Fingerprints are not as accurate as in the movies either.)

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