[ SECRET POST #2669 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2669 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Non-Fandom rants

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that it doesn't matter if they don't do shit--the teacher will assign them harder working partners to carry their Load.

Re: Non-Fandom rants

[crunchysunrises]

It's been my experience that those "harder working partners" are usually just the people who insist on doing everything themselves. Because heaven forbid something be out of their personal control.

If you refuse to carry the load and provide constructive direction, they'll do their share of the work. And, in my experience, if you're any good at leading a group, your group will end up with a product that is far, far superior to anything that you could've done on your own.

Re: Non-Fandom rants

[inkdust]

I guess your experiences have been different from mine, then.

Re: Non-Fandom rants

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, same here. Also forgive me if I'm not willing to risk my grades or even the feeling of turning in a subpar product on the chance that it'll turn into a magical learning/bonding experience for all. Maybe that does make me an "intellectual blowhard." I've never had a problem working on group projects with people who are invested and interested in doing the work. Similarly, in the working world, I have never had any issues working on projects with my coworkers. But yeah, I sure as heck had a problem with a lot of group projects in college...

Re: Non-Fandom rants

[(Anonymous)]

Well, we have had very different experiences.

Re: Non-Fandom rants

[a_potato]

I get the feeling that you fall somewhere in between. You are neither the one who works the hardest nor the one who slacks the most.

Let met tell you, when you are a person who works hard, and you are pared with someone who slacks, it is a living nightmare. Your ability to lead cannot and will not save you.

Some people do not want to work, and they will not work, no matter what you do.

Re: Non-Fandom rants

[crunchysunrises]

You're deeply mistaken as to my work ethic and my ranking in classes.

Since we're talking about undergrad, I'll tell you that graduated near the top of my undergraduate class and even have the foofy ribbons, medals, pins, and honorary memberships in various honors societies to prove it. I was always paired with the bottom feeders for group projects, both so that I could teach them the material and drag their grades up. And yes, my ability to lead did (eventually) save me. (High school group projects were no more fun or easy for me than they were for anyone else.)

I'm the person who commented up-thread about getting slackers to commit to a project and getting a product that was far, far better than anything I could've done on my own. My grades didn't suffer for being in those groups, not because I did all the work but because I was capable of making others invest in the project and put their best foot forward. And that is a skill that has served me well.

That you lack the skill to motivate others doesn't necessarily reflect on you. I'm told that in real life, I'm a highly persuasive person when I want to be. But it does reflect on you that you assume that, because my perspective doesn't match yours, I must have been a terrible student. I understand that it may be a comforting assumption to you, but it's incorrect.

And everyone will work. What varies is whether it's for a carrot or to escape the rod.

Re: Non-Fandom rants

[a_potato]

If it reflects poorly on me that I made a baseless assumption (and you're right; it does, and it's something that I should refrain from doing in the future), then I would say it also reflects on you that you took "I have a feeling you fell somewhere in the middle" to mean "you must have been a terrible student." What purpose does it serve to exaggerate or twist what's been said? Surely, your point would have been equally as effective otherwise.

Your experience has clearly been very different from fine, and it seems that you probably have a rare skill. Maybe someone like you could save the people I've seen who would rather lose their jobs than do them. So far, however, I haven't seen it done.