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What brought you to this decision? Be specific. Include sources.

I don't think it's the sort of thing that can be measured in... I dunno, MomHearts, or something? Both have shown that they are very devoted to their children and would do most anything for them.

I don't think so. And Cersei's an awful influence for her kids.

They're supposed to be opposites to each other. They both care about their kids, but one's obviously a power hungry evil woman and the other is shown to be slightly more kind and selfless (with obvious flaws in the Jon Snow area) that's the point, OP.

Though I firmly believe that Cersei's love for hers is secondary to her love of power and that she's not above using her kids to gain and keep that power.

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The way Cersei treats Tommen in the more recent books is awful.

While I do agree with OP, I hate it when the Jon Snow issue is mentioned. I mean, Cat isn't supposed to like him / to treat him like his son. He is NOT her child and imo she doesn't mistreat him.
And I think Cersei loves Joffrey much more than her other children, especially poor Tommen.

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Agreed so hard on the Cat mistreating Jon Snow bullshit. To her, he's a reminder of her husbajd's betrayal and he never told her otherwise. To pour salt in the wound, eddard brought yik hoke to raise in their household. So of course she isn't going to welcome him with open arms. She is cold to him, yes, but she never fucking mistreated him

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It's still wrong to take that out on a child even if you haven't technically abused him. Being cold to a child can do plenty of damage.

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But Jon Snow isn't her child so where's the flaw

Oh, so it's okay to abuse a child but not your child.

Right, right.

She was outright foul to him. She told him he should have died instead of Bran. He was fourteen. I don't think she was ever that vile to Theon and he wasn't her son, either.

They're both awful people, just in very different ways.

Ignoring all of that clever misdirection, this secret is about which mother is a better parent to their child. Bastards unrelated do not apply.

Acknowledging said misdirection, she did not abuse him. Jon was considered old enough to go man the Wall. At 16-7 he's old enough to be the fucking LORD COMMANDER. By Westorsi standards, he was an adult. Regardless, she was beside herself with grief. Excusing this one single, solitary moment, she did nothing to him but not treat him like her child.

But I do believe her love of power is actually in pursuit of being able to save her own children. She knows that fear comes with power and she needs it in order to not have her children harm.

Why is it a competition?

Anyway, I think they both love their children a lot.

Tommen was abused by Joffrey and Cersei didn't give a shit.

They're both shitty parental figures although Cersei is worse.

Pretty sure Cersei treats Joffrey so well and fights for him so ardently because he's her exact mirror, except with male anatomy which gives him the capability to rise higher in power. She doesn't love her children any more than she loves herself.

This. I think her "love" for her children is really only an extension of her own self-love.

It's more of a "if it wasn't form them I'd be dead" thing, so it's kind of an obsessive love she has for them since she depends way too much on their existence. It's not self-love but isn't motherly love either.

I agree, especially as she talked about how much she loved her kids when they were very young and still felt like part of her, then less as they got older. While she had Joffrey, Tommen was definitely a distant second to Joffrey's needs and wants (and now her grief for Joffrey is dominant) and Myrcella wasn't old enough to be any kind of threat when she was sent to Dorne.

I disagree. She's not a good mother, but she does love her children, even the ones that can't do anything for her--she loves Myrcella is distraught when she's sent away. Tyrion frequently notes that the only redeeming quality in Cersei is that she loves her children.

You would.

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I'm not here for anything other than "Thank god they got rid of that hairstyle for Cersei"