[ SECRET POST #2676 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2676 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

They're supposed to be opposites to each other. They both care about their kids, but one's obviously a power hungry evil woman and the other is shown to be slightly more kind and selfless (with obvious flaws in the Jon Snow area) that's the point, OP.

Though I firmly believe that Cersei's love for hers is secondary to her love of power and that she's not above using her kids to gain and keep that power.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

The way Cersei treats Tommen in the more recent books is awful.

[(Anonymous)]

While I do agree with OP, I hate it when the Jon Snow issue is mentioned. I mean, Cat isn't supposed to like him / to treat him like his son. He is NOT her child and imo she doesn't mistreat him.
And I think Cersei loves Joffrey much more than her other children, especially poor Tommen.

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DA

Agreed so hard on the Cat mistreating Jon Snow bullshit. To her, he's a reminder of her husbajd's betrayal and he never told her otherwise. To pour salt in the wound, eddard brought yik hoke to raise in their household. So of course she isn't going to welcome him with open arms. She is cold to him, yes, but she never fucking mistreated him

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na

It's still wrong to take that out on a child even if you haven't technically abused him. Being cold to a child can do plenty of damage.

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Ayrt

She just distanced herself from him. And I guess you kinda have a point, but this fucking fandom makes it seemed like Cat was an abuse stepmother you'd see in fairytales.

[(Anonymous)]

Plus could you please keep in mind we're in fucking GoT / asoiaf. Cat not actively abusing Jon kinda makes her a good person by the show's standards. And I don't even like her.

[(Anonymous)]

Not by the standards of the rest of the Starks.

[(Anonymous)]

She also told him he should have died.

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Ayrt

Was this after Bran's fall? because if so then while it was a shitty thing to say, she was also quite upset because of what happened to her child. Either way, she's still not the abusive character fandom makes her out to be.

[(Anonymous)]

Emotional abuse is still abuse. maybe she didn't tell him he should die every day but once is more than enough. and being cold and distancing from a foster child is still emotional abuse, imo.

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nayrt

Are you talking about got or asoiaf? Because even though she didn't phisically harm Jon, she did say plenty of awful things to him, like, how much she wished it was him instead of Bran and Jon cried after that (he was 13 around that time and departing from his little brother in order to go to the wall).
Even though I don't think it's Catelyn's duty to love him (I love her to death and I hate it when people asume she should have opened her arms with love for Jon), I won't close my eyes to the fact. Actually, it's part of Catelyn's charm as a character, her flaws humanize her even more.

[(Anonymous)]

But Jon Snow isn't her child so where's the flaw

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, so it's okay to abuse a child but not your child.

Right, right.

She was outright foul to him. She told him he should have died instead of Bran. He was fourteen. I don't think she was ever that vile to Theon and he wasn't her son, either.

They're both awful people, just in very different ways.

[(Anonymous)]

Ignoring all of that clever misdirection, this secret is about which mother is a better parent to their child. Bastards unrelated do not apply.

Acknowledging said misdirection, she did not abuse him. Jon was considered old enough to go man the Wall. At 16-7 he's old enough to be the fucking LORD COMMANDER. By Westorsi standards, he was an adult. Regardless, she was beside herself with grief. Excusing this one single, solitary moment, she did nothing to him but not treat him like her child.

[(Anonymous)]

But I do believe her love of power is actually in pursuit of being able to save her own children. She knows that fear comes with power and she needs it in order to not have her children harm.