[ SECRET POST #2676 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2676 ⌋

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Comments

[sarillia]

I like it (the books anyway, I never got into the show) but I feel like a lot of the fans are ashamed of liking a fantasy story. They're always going on about how gritty and realistic it is and responding to criticisms with "well that's how things were back then!" I always feel like they need a reminder that this takes place in a magical world where seasons last for years.

Personally I don't think it's a particularly good or bad example of fantasy. It's got some good political intrigue, it's got dragons, there are complicated characters that you can root for or not. It's entertaining and it's got some things you can think about if you're inclined to deep interpretations. I don't really need it to be anything more than that.

[(Anonymous)]

"responding to criticisms with "well that's how things were back then!" I always feel like they need a reminder that this takes place in a magical world where seasons last for years."

(Anon from comment below yours) It does get old as a rhetoric, I know. ;) I'd just like to point out though that a *lot* of GRRM's research for the books was on the War of the Roses, and the attitudes in the books really do reflect the attitudes of that time. Regardless of the fantasy elements. :)

[sarillia]

I'd get less tired of the rhetoric if people actually researched the time period instead of relying on "common knowledge" which is very often wrong or very simplified. The thing that gets to me most is when people act like social rights are a straight line of progress where the further back you go, the worse off women and other groups were, when it's much more complicated than that.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Well my degree was History and my dissertation subject was set in the War of the Roses. Does that qualify me enough for you, or do I need to start pulling out historical resources?

Sorry to sound snarky, but yes - yes people do rely on common knowledge. However not everyone does.

[sarillia]

Oh I never doubted that some people actually know what they're talking about. And I wouldn't even count myself among them. Sorry for generalizing and not making that clear.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, I'm sorry. I'm in a shitty mood and didn't mean to take it out on you.

It was pretty clear that you meant generally and not in every case.

[sarillia]

I hate those moods. Hope you feel better soon.

[ceebeegee]

Really good point. People are complicated; human progress is not always linear.