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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-05-01 07:12 pm

[ SECRET POST #2676 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2676 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-05-02 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
You know what, I was thinking about this, and to some extent I think you're right. Books like 50 Shades and Twilight are written by women, for women, and might be silly, somewhat disturbing fantasies but they are (hopefully) just fantasies. I feel like a lot of the criticism is against the female authors for writing something that's not inherently bad (morally, that is, maybe not quality-wise). But because they are women, they are attacked both by sexist people (or treated as sole representatives of female writers and speakers for what women fantasize about) and by some feminists for writing stuff that'd be problematic in a real relationship. But fantasies don't have to represent reality, and they shouldn't be treated as indicators of that by either crowd.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-02 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
"or treated as sole representatives of female writers and speakers for what women fantasize about"

That annoys me. Every time one, or some women, like something, many men think it means ALL WOMEN to the point that if you're female, you don't have the "right" to not like it.

I don't care if some people (men or women) have rape fantasies, but I am tired of men basically saying it's okay to sexually dominate women without consent/permission, and then going "BUT 50 SHADES OF GRAY" when someone says that's not okay. Sometimes I feel like people just won't accept that a woman might not be sexually submissive, and they don't even think male dominance/female submission is a kink or fetish, it's just how a heterosexual relationship is, period.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-02 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
But instead of telling men to stop generalizing women, those "feminists" tell women to stop having kinks that allow men to generalize them.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-02 06:11 am (UTC)(link)
No, they don't. ALL the feminist critique I've seen makes the distinction and actively points out that this is not a "how to" manual for men to "understand what all women REALLY want" which it has been touted as too often.

Strawfeminist argument ahoy.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-02 06:29 am (UTC)(link)
You haven't read much feminist critique.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-02 08:36 am (UTC)(link)
You haven't read.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-02 10:43 am (UTC)(link)
I think you're the one who didn't.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-02 01:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Since you're the only one who seems to have read the type of critique you're referring to, the burden of proof is on you. How about providing some links?

(Anonymous) 2014-05-02 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
+1. Links please! Or title/author, if the feminist critique you're talking about is a single zine from 1987 or otherwise link-unfriendly.