[ SECRET POST #2677 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2677 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Scribbler]


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02.
[bioshock infinite: burial at sea]


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04.
[True Detective]


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08.
[fire emblem/super smash bros]


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10.
[World of Warcraft]


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12. [SPOILERS for Hannibal]



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13. [SPOILERS for Bioshock: Infinite]



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14. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



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15. [WARNING for rape/abuse I'm assuming? Ramsay/Theon stuff]
http://i.imgur.com/Xo0GSkI.png



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16. [WARNING for mental illness/hospitals]



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17. [WARNING for depression]



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18. [WARNING for eating disorders]



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19. [WARNING for rape]

[Game of Thrones]








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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[diet_poison]

wait, this is he scene they're calling rapey?

she said "no" because she didn't want to do it there. she pretty clearly DID want him.

ETA: how different was it in the show?

[(Anonymous)]

he says "why did the gods make me love a hateful woman" right before he starts aggressively kissing her and there's a point where it kind of seems like she's kissing him back, but then he grabs at her gown and she keeps saying "no, no, it's not right" etc but he doesn't stop, i think she might've been crying as well but i don't remember. but she was definitely begging him to stop and pushing at him and there was never really any hint of her wanting it, unlike the books where it's clear she wants him to fuck her, but is briefly concerned about doing it in front of their dead son's corpse until she just figures "eh fuck it" and grabs his penis and guides it in.

not so much in the show.

[silverr]

I've also heard that in the book, that scene in the sept is the first time they've seen each other so relief and grief are all mashed together .... whereas in the show that scene takes place after Jamie has been back for weeks (?), and after Cersei's given him the brushoff because he's not a "whole man" anymore. Totally different emotional context.

[(Anonymous)]

yep, forgot to mention that part as well. in the books, it's the first time they've seen each other in months, iirc, and he'd been held prisoner and could've been dead for all she knew, so the first time they saw each other in ages was in that sept with joffrey's dead body lying on its bier. it was grief, desperation, relief, longing, all kinds of emotions at play, and i can definitely see where people would argue that it's dubious consent initially, i think her primary concern is not being caught. she's all for the sex part of it.

[diet_poison]

wow yeah that's...quite different. a lot different.

they altered something that wasn't rape and made it rape. and it's not like it's the only time they've done it. gah.

[(Anonymous)]

The show cut out the part at the end where she's begging him to fuck her.

[diet_poison]

I think even without that it wasn't clear-cut rape in the book. Even from the very beginning it sounded to me like she wanted it. That bit definitely solidified it as not-rape to me in the book passage, though.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh...even if it was because of the place rather than her rejecting Jaime, she still said 'no' and he didn't listen. The over-the-top begging consent later didn't make it less skeevy to me, because it feeds into the whole "she said 'no' but she really wanted it" nonsense.

[diet_poison]

I can see where you're coming from. I guess it's vibe. When the "no" is really 100% about that moment of "oh I don't want the septon to see!"...but yeah I see where you're coming from.

[nyxelestia]

I think the biggest problem is that it's still a world of difference from the show. Here, she wants the sex and her only major concern is the time/location, and even that gets brushed aside by the end of the scene and she is a full participant there. Compared to the show, I'd say that's fairly consensual, and even given the context I would say it floats on the edge between dub-con and outright consent.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know, if we want to promote the idea that it's right that if someone wants their partner to stop after they had begun consensually... I guess if they're not being coerced into doing so, it's okay to change your mind and agree to have sex. Right?