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⌈ Secret Post #2677 ⌋

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[The Scribbler]

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[bioshock infinite: burial at sea]

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[True Detective]

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[fire emblem/super smash bros]

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[World of Warcraft]

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12. [SPOILERS for Hannibal]

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13. [SPOILERS for Bioshock: Infinite]

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15. [WARNING for rape/abuse I'm assuming? Ramsay/Theon stuff]
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16. [WARNING for mental illness/hospitals]

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17. [WARNING for depression]

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18. [WARNING for eating disorders]

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19. [WARNING for rape]

[Game of Thrones]

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I don't think it's a question of technology of infrastructure, for most people.

I agree, it's really disgusting going "yeah, we did something terrible… but not as terrible as the Nazis!" because this is not a sliding scale of horribleness, and terrible deeds shouldn't be judged when compared to history.

But I also don't think your statement of "if other people in other times had this technology/infrastructure, it'd be the same" because I think what most people find terrifying about the holocaust is not how technologically advanced everything was, but that people sat out and planned this. For months. People sat down and they went over all these details and said "yes, we should build gas chambers this large, and the railtrack would be here, and this are the criteria for being killed, and this for being taken to labour, and here's what we do with the belonging, and the hair, and the clothes" etc, etc. And several tens of people looked at this, and added to this, and changed it, and checked and double checked and approved, and it seems like none of them found anything wrong with it.

It just didn't happen often. When the Soviets starved the Ukrainians they didn't sit and meticulously plan how to starve them for months. They just took all the food, and the starving for a side effect they used. The Tutsi didn't plan for months exactly how to kill all the Hutu and in what method, all they cared about was the end result. It's the idea that people could actually sit and think about what they were doing and not give a damn that frightens so many people.

I think what most people find terrifying about the holocaust is not how technologically advanced everything was, but that people sat out and planned this.

To me that comes down more to the meticulousness of the German than the fact that they thought about it a lot before actually doing it. I think in most cases of genocide there is a long period of thinking about it from the side that is about to perform the genocide, I think it's in the nature of the German people to do things well and thorough.

At the same time, I'm no history buff by any means, I do know that some of it was planned beforehand, but I'm not sure how much of it was really planned for and how much was something they were later faced with and had to deal with there and then.

I think it's in the nature of the German people to do things well and thorough.

This is such a lazy stereotype.

Just the term "the German people" makes my skin itch. Ew.

Like germans are a different species and that's why they're so good at organising bbq's and mass murder.

No, but I do think that it's in the German culture to be quite thorough and very meticulous, especially when you look at the governmental bodies. I say this as someone who is not German, but does live in Germany. I view the German culture as less passionate and less spontaneous and yes, very good at organising stuff, among them bbq's.

Noooo you misunderstood something. We're good at talking about organising stuff but - especially in politics - that's usually where it ends.

(The following comment is a bit tongue-in-cheek.)

Which actually brings us back to the original comment, there was a lot of talk and planning and whatnot involved (apparently) before the actual Holocaust as opposed to other situations where the people committing the genocide 'just did it'. Imagine if the Nazis were stopped a couple of years earlier, they only would have been in the planning stages. (And all of a sudden my comment turned out a bit darker than I intended...)

Well, I guess it shows there that a) English is my second language and b) you're not giving me the benefit of the doubt.
Trust me, I'm originally from one of Germany's neighbouring countries and although I've come across many (bad and negative) stereotypes of Germany, this is not one that I know of.
Maybe this is only true for the part of Germany that I'm currently living in, but yeah, here they're very meticulous and good at organising stuff. And I mean that in the best possible way.

>Just the term "the German people" makes my skin itch. Ew.

what

"German" is a pretty young ethnicity, and the defining moments of "Germans" as a group are pretty disgusting (1848 aside). Germans themselves tend to identify more strongly with their area (i.e. Bavaria, Swabia, Vierlande etc.) than the country.

Erm...no. I really have to disagree here.
If you mean "German" in the sense of "being a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany", then yeah, you could call it 'young' in comparison to other ethnicities, but quite honestly I doubt that anyone anchors their ehtnic origin as "German" in 1949, or 1848. And people considering themselves German started way before that (just think of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation). The definition and the question who being German did or did not include shifted over time along with borders and empires, but the concept is not new.

And I really would disagree with the notion that Germans identify more strongly with their regional ties than with Germany as a whole. Maybe your experiences are different, but I've never met anyone in my entire life for whom that was the case. People with trong regional ties and reginal pride and identification, definitely. But that this feeling of e.g. being Hessian somehow supercedes the notion of being German is a whole new idea to me. On the contrary, I personally think over the past generation or so the importance of regional origin has lessened, actually, and since the 1950s there have been plenty of positive things I would associate "Being German" with. So respectfully, I think that you're making a blanket statement that does not at all hold up to my personal experience.

Do you not think other genocides or displacements took planning? Because they did. Some of them were less organised, and others more. And yes, that requires some pretty cold-hearted/-headed thinking, but the Nazis were not the first. Again, the differences would come to scale. But what your writing sounds like all the other atrocities in history occured spontaneously.

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