[ SECRET POST #2686 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2686 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Amen!

I'm sick of people telling me that because I don't want to watch GoT anymore, I must not really "get it".

Wow, just because I don't want to watch a gratutious rape scene that does nothing to further the plot, must mean I can't handle the edginess.

I watch other shows and films that have plenty of darkness in them. Hell, I watch Hannibal, and that's a show that had a horse unbirthing and Colombian neckties.

It's the way the darkness is handled, and the way it serves the plot, that I have issue with. I also take issue with the general idea that "dark & edgy" automatically equals "better & more mature".

[ibbity]

"I also take issue with the general idea that "dark & edgy" automatically equals "better & more mature"."

YES YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES. I loathe and despise this idea, and it seems to be every-fucking-where. It even infected Star Wars, which was the least dark'n'edgy big-name franchise out there. It infects EVERYTHING, especially literature from what I've seen (I read a lot. Like, a LOT a lot. It is SO DAMN HARD to find literary fiction that isn't dark and depressing and full of Bad Things happening to everyone.)

[(Anonymous)]

HNNNNNG. MY RAGE ABOUT LITFIC IS UNPARALLELED.

Like, okay, i get that the author wants dark & bad & scary things to happen. that's cool. i am totally down with that, in fact, i like spooky weird things.

but for god's sake, would it kill them to have a likeable main character? or just one good, genuinely nice character we can root for? or a happy ending, after much trial & struggle?

it reminds me of this time my mother & I went to see a play by Anton Chekhov (I think it was The Seagull). and i understand that it's a classic and everyone artistic loves it. but i hated it, because there was not a single likeable character in that play. by the end of it, i just wished they'd all hurry up and die already and quit whining.

[alexi_lupin]

I felt that way when I studied A Streetcar Named Desire. By 2/3 of the way through I was just like "They're all insufferable and I don't care what happens to them."

[darkmanifest]

Exactly, the most mature media I've ever seen finds a balance between dark and light, which is actually a reflection of the real world that isn't a relentless march into the blood-soaked void. I'm not even offended by torture porn anymore, just bored and aggravated. When do we get back to the plot? And if that is the plot, well, count me out.

...wait, what's a Columbian necktie? *googles* Oh. Well, I learned something today.

[(Anonymous)]

oh geez i'm sorry you googled that!

probably should have warned you. :/

and yeah, IA about torture porn. it's either boring to me, or unintentionally hilarious. i think gore is most effective when used in small amounts - in The Sixth Sense, for example, those few moments were really chilling.

[esteefee]

I was discussing this with a friend of mine the other day -- we were talking about the way violence on "Justified" has so much more of an impact, not because it's more gory or bloody or graphic, but the reverse, it's because of how it's shot and cut: it's just plain shocking. They either build up the tension with awareness of the situation, with the dialogue mounting between the characters in this folksy, story-telling kind of way where one of the characters knows what's going on and maybe the other is completely oblivious to the gun hidden behind the other's back until BLAM! violence. Except, they don't show blood or guts or anything, just the person going down. The violence is in the capping off of all the tension.

Or, alternately, the violence happens so suddenly, so out of the blue, the audience is taken unprepared, and that is the shock. But either way, not a lot of gore. No tender, loving pans of guts spilling to the ground or whatever.

Personally, I think Justified does a terrific job of pushing the envelope and showing why violence is so troubling to begin with -- it's in the impulses between human beings.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never seen Justified, but as a fan of the 'less is more' doctrine, I'm glad to hear there's a show that hasn't jumped on the gore bandwagon. Honestly, very little of the graphic violence or sex I've seen on TV or in movies did anything for the story at all. So good for Justified.