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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-05-11 03:46 pm

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Re: Controversial opinions

[personal profile] making_excuses 2014-05-13 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
Good to know, it is one of those things I am completely against. In most other things in life I can see more than one side, but on this issue, not so much.

I don't think you should have your children taken away because of a slip up, but I am quite happy it is completely illegal in Norway, and that it is grounds for having your child taken away if it persists. No one will take your kid away because you slapped it once or twice, they might talk to you and explain how to properly punish your children without the need of violence, but we all make mistakes.

But as my friend (the one that got slapped at most 5 times during childhood) and I agreed on when we discussed this last, if we ever snap and slap our maybe future children we would take ourselves to the first and best anger management course we can find, because clearly we don't have a great handle on our anger. Then again I am not all that in favour of uncontrollable anger aimed at children without the use of violence as you are supposed to set a good example and that is not a good example.

Not saying it isn't something that will never happen to me, or that you are a bad parent for losing your temper, but if it happens often it really is something one should try to fix in any way one can.

And as someone growing up with people who didn't hit me (my father was the closest thing that anyone got to being physical with me), but they tended to lose their temper quite badly, and that is damaging as a child as you are scared of your parents anger and that resulted in me hiding away and even today being scared of telling people I accidentally broke something or did something wrong, because growing up that would lead to people getting out of control angry at me (heck once I was grounded for being 1min and 30seconds late to get home for dinner).

The kicker so to speak, the one giving me these issues is a highly educated 1st-4th grade teacher with years of Pedagogy schooling on top of it.

Oh and sorry about the length of this, it is one of my pet subjects so to speak so I do tend to go on and on about it, usually I only discuss this with my friend and we agree most of the time and have had similar conversations loads of times, I do like seeing different takes on the same subject. Especially ones that are similar but different to my own.
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Re: Controversial opinions

[personal profile] diet_poison 2014-05-13 03:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Out of curiosity, is your opinion the majority opinion on Norway? In the US we still have a frighteningly large proportion of the population holding fast to their "spare the rod" stance. :[
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Re: Controversial opinions

[personal profile] making_excuses 2014-05-13 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
The paragraph in the law I was talking about earlier:
Norwegian childrens law: changed in 1981 and reviewed in 1997

"Children shall not be exposed to violence or by any other means be treated in a way that can lead to physical or psychological trauma. This also applies when the violence is used as a tool in raising the child. Use of violence or threatening or troublesome behaviour or other endangering behaviour towards children shal not happen. "

So the law has been in effect for quite some time, it was probably strengthened some in 1997, but as the fact that our society for the last 30 odd years have by law made it illegal to hit children, there isn't a lot of opposition for it. The only opposing view you might hear is people who feel that a slap to a childs hand when they do something that could hurt them. Behind closed doors some might think it is okay to lightly slap a child if it does something really wrong, but it is not accepted by society at large.

That was a long way of saying: Yes, Norway at large is against violence towards children.

It is so sad that especially a modern society is for using violence to raise a child is an acceptable opinion to have.
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Re: Controversial opinions

[personal profile] diet_poison 2014-05-13 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree. :(