fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #2688 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2688 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.

__________________________________________________

02.

[Frozen]

__________________________________________________

03.

[Criminal Minds, Elle Greenaway]

__________________________________________________

04.

[Utopia]

__________________________________________________

05.

[Prison Architect]

__________________________________________________

06.

[One Piece]

__________________________________________________

07.

[Orphan Black]

__________________________________________________

08.

[Craig Ferguson]

__________________________________________________

09.

[Sarah Rees Brennan]

__________________________________________________

10.

[Knights of Sidonia]

__________________________________________________

11.

[Star Trek: The Next Generation]

Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 037 secrets from Secret Submission Post #384.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Flat | Top-Level Comments Only

Before 9/11 things were more, mmm, care free I guess? We weren't at war, the economy wasn't in shambles, there wasn't this huge 'terrorist fear' hanging over everything. It was the end of a false sense of security, and then we lost so much privacy.

To say that the economy wasn't in shambles isn't completely true. We'd just come off the first wave of the popped tech bubbles, and there were problems lurking in the background (as pointed out in http://cber.uky.edu/Downloads/Waller02.htm). I'd say 9/11 put economic problems into sharper focus in some ways, but the economic news wasn't particularly great before that time. Also, some people may argue that privacy was being eroded in the late 90s, a point that contributed to the shit show known as the Lewinksy affair/investigation.

With all that said, I totally agree your statement about it being the end of a false sense of security. A lot of people said at the time that it was the end of innocence, but even at 17 I knew that was bullshit. Hell, my friend Mike and I discussed that off and on after 9/11.

I was two months shy of fourteen when 9/11 happened, take that however you like, butttttt the 90's was a lot more innocent. The late 90's was really happy-pop after the end of grunge, everything was XTREME, there was a sense of...optimism, I guess. After 9/11 things became a bit darker? Increased security, constant increase in the 'color code', movies/tv became a lot more somber/sensitive. I mean, look at South Park. They had no problem making Super Best Friends, but many years later they had to pull two episodes because of terrorist threats. Things are different.

AYRT

When I say innocent, I'm mostly referring to the perception of safety in this country, not necessarily in terms of pop culture or social optimism. The really strange thing is it had no right to be, as other major terrorist events occurred in the mid-90s. One of the reasons I though the "end of innocence" line was such horseshit was because I still remembered the Oklahoma City bombing and struggled for a while to comprehend the treason and the mindset of Timothy McVeigh (who ended up being executed only a few months before 9/11). Let's not forget the concert bombing in Atlanta a year later. I remembered these things very well even though the news coverage wasn't quite as intense as it was with 9/11. In fact, I still don't think that anyone really learned anything after the Oklahoma City bombing. Maybe the pop culture optimism welled up as a way for American society to deny the fact that treason was in fact a problem in the country, thus triggering a head in the sand reaction from many. For those of us who made the decision to follow current events after 4/19/1995, 9/11 was a bigger version of terrorism but not the end of innocence. Innocence had been gone for years for us by that point.

Well, that's sort of different. McVeigh was American. These were non-americans who took over four planes and got no military resistance before slamming three of them into national landmarks. That's horrifying, you know? Plus the death count was much higher during 9/11, I think? There's still over seven thousand bone fragments that can not be identified from people who just disintegrated as the towers fell. That's...I mean, there are so many people in that building who were never found, and some who were only found by DNA tests because the body parts were so small.

It's on a different scale, terror wise.

AYRT

It may be on a different scale, but it's still terrorism. When you get down to the main aim of terrorism (to strike fear in an organized but not necessarily militaristic way), both events meet that definition. I would think that no matter the nationality of the person who perpetrated the event the notion of innocence would be lost. I actually find the notion of treasonous terrorism more horrifying even if the death toll was lower because the source is right under your nose. The fact that it didn't resonate with as many people as it should have also scares me. I honestly think if more people had bothered to learn anything about how to approach terrorism and terrorists from Oklahoma City the response to 9/11 would be markedly different.

Concerning the public, would anyone have actually believed that someone from outside the country would be allowed to take over four planes and be allowed to fly unhindered for a good hour before murdering thousands of people before 9/11? I doubt it. Pardon the overused joke, but before 9/11? The country was all 'America, Fuck yeah'. The feeling of being untouchable, that nothing like /that/ could ever happen to us, it's gone. We became a country ruled by fear.

9/11 is still killing people even now. I'm not talking about the wars-while that is true-I'm talking about all the people who have died/are dying from health issues relating to the large amount of asbestos that was still in both towers. My boyfriend's mother is a police officer and she worked the cleanup at ground zero. He told me that while she was working, she found a part of a child's leg with the foot/shoe still attached. Just...a child's leg. The place was covered in blood, body parts and people who turned to bloody piles from jumping from the building. 9/11 was just so much worse than past terrorist attacks based in recent years on loss of life and destruction. That's why I believe there was a loss of innocence.

I can see this. The optimism you describe does seem to fit my vague memories of what little I knew of pop culture at the time.

It's a shame, because while it was a false sense of security, I feel we just traded one such false sense for another. :/

DA--I graduated high school in spring of 2001, and remember my political science teacher saying whoever became president after Clinton would be blamed for the economy going to shit, even though it was already sort of going to shit before they took office. I was so pissed to be too young to vote in that election; we had one outspoken Republican in that class and he was so happy Bush got elected; I threatened to break a chair over his head. And post 9/11 I just remember the racist xenophobic nutjobs coming out of the woodwork in droves, clamoring to bomb everything to hell and back.

AYRT

Just be glad you weren't in Florida during that time. I was 16 at the time and attending school in Martin County (which is located just north of the batshit crazy triumvirate that caused that electoral debacle). My classmates and I also lamented being too young to participate in that election even though we all had a bad sense about it. There was also the little problem of Florida continuing to be the laughingstock/hot mess of the year in the national news, as we had just gotten past the whole Elian Gonzalez nuttiness. *sigh* And people wonder why I moved.

[ SECRET POST #2688 ]

Re: 9/11 culture change?

Re: 9/11 culture change?

Re: 9/11 culture change?

Re: 9/11 culture change?

Re: 9/11 culture change?

Re: 9/11 culture change?

Re: 9/11 culture change?

&

Re: 9/11 culture change?

Re: 9/11 culture change?

Re: 9/11 culture change?