[ SECRET POST #2689 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2689 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

07. http://i62.tinypic.com/2qvwmjt.png

[(Anonymous)]

::eye roll:: Oh you poor little snowflake. Maybe you should leave off watching television lest something really traumatic scars you for life.

[(Anonymous)]

I wonder if OP has issues with Pee Wee's Big Adventure, too.

[lunabee34]

Trufax Large Marge scared the shit out of me as a kid.

[(Anonymous)]

oh please! *That* ruins your whole enjoyment of what I consider to be the best of the Trek series? It was two overgrown boys playing boy games together, not a serious historical interpretation!

[cushlamochree]

It's, what, 500 years in the past, from the point of view of Miles and Julian, and probably an even bigger 500-year gap than between us and 1514. A lot of the specificity and the particulars and the resolution gets left behind at that distance. I don't think that makes it completely okay but, I don't know, I'm okay with kind of giving them a pass.

[skippydelicious]

Plus it is kinda implied that Miles and Julian did the Star Trek version of a google-search on "hopeless battles" and are just videogaming their way down the list. They have a kink for that, how cute (and kinda creepy what with all the hopeless battles they've been in and all, but whatever).

[(Anonymous)]

Your fallacy is deciding that Miles and Julian represent the standard/politically accepted views of the Federation. They are two dudes doing their own thing, not teaching a class. This is like complaining that people who play WWII games are not accurately representing history as it happened and therefore NO ONE in their society accurately understands how history happened.

[(Anonymous)]

"Have you talked to a counselor about these annihilation fantasies you seem to have?"

[skippydelicious]

Miles did, but it was Troi so....

[intrigueing]

Well, you know, they probably care as much about the politics of the myth of the Alamo as we care about a lot of the stuff that happened in the 1400s. For them, it's basically "no1curr, this happened a long time ago and has nothing to do with our lives anymore so lets just have some lulz."

In-universe, I mean. I dunno about the actual writers' intent, which was probably more superficial.

[cushlamochree]

The writers' intent probably was just "The Alamo was cool." DS9 is all shoving in bits of 20th century culture, especially American culture, that the writers like. Casablanca episode, baseball episode, science fiction episode, Frank Sinatra episodes, Roswell episode. Also James Bond episode which is kinda British I guess.

[intrigueing]

I secretly really loved all that pop culture stuff, even though it always made me wonder "why the 20th century? Why not the 21st or the 22nd? The 21st was the one with all the atomic wars and kangaroo courts and first contact with Vulcans and stuff..."

[arcadiaego]

I pretty much disliked all of those episodes, I am now wondering what this says about me.

[(Anonymous)]

"I dunno about the actual writers' intent, which was probably more superficial."

The way I heard it (admittedly second hand from my father, who was reading a DS9 companion/behind the scenes guide) was that one of the show's executive producers was a huge fan of the Alamo history, and so the writers would throw in a reference to the Alamo when they wanted to get a story approved. So their intent was actually to be sneaky.

[(Anonymous)]

They shall be crushed in the impending apocalypse, which has been set in motion by events on this very page.

[(Anonymous)]

How is it different from Worf and Jadzia's admiration and reenactment of Klingon battles; in particularly the Battle of Qam-Chee-- legendarily, 500 warriors versus two: Kahless and Lukara. Kahless also apparently lived a bit over 500 years before the events of DS9, so they're not even drastically disparate time periods.

All issues are remembered perfectly 500 years from their start date.

[skippydelicious]

Dude, by the time DS9 rolls around, the Alamo happened over half a millennia ago. Talk me through your understanding of obscure conflicts that occurred 500 years ago. Bonus, it should be a battle not from your homeland (Bashir is apparently English as far as nationality matters in Star Trek, and O'Brien is Irish), and should be a conflicted lasted two weeks or less.

Plus they are playing a videogame which is more about them heroically getting slaughtered than the actual battle.

[(Anonymous)]

One thing I like about DS9 is that Sisko actually comments on this history-as-entertainment thing at one point -- the crew has to go into a 1950s Las Vegas holodeck program to fix it or something, and Sisko objects that actual Vintage Vegas was racially segregated and would have kicked him out of that casino on sight, and he isn't interested in pretending it wasn't. It was a nice moment and kind of cemented my love of DS9, even though the episode itself wasn't that great.

I don't mind Miles and Julian's nerdplay that much because it always seemed like it was written as their own half-fictional tabletop-game version of The Alamo and not as How The Alamo Is Presently Understood In DS9 Times.

Though it is a little sad that with all that future history and the entire Earth to draw on, two non-American characters would settle on such a US-centric thing to geek out about. Why not something from the Post-Atomic Horror?

[(Anonymous)]

Well, it's possible that the fact that they were non-American makes it easier to geek about without any uncomfortable personal history creeping in, like if, say, one of them was of a Mexican background.

[(Anonymous)]

It wasn't just the Alamo. As another poster noted above, they were just going down the list of "hopeless battles" from multiple cultures, including fictional ones, as I recall.

[(Anonymous)]

we were taught that a handful of Texans fought off thousands of Santa Anna's men at the Alamo; these days, ten thousand Texans were defeated by a single burro.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL! That was one tough burro.

[arcadiaego]

I agree. This is a dull comment but, yeah, it always bothered me. But then, I never liked the 'the men have to go off and play with their toys while the women moan about it' aspect in general so that may have been colouring my view.

(Lol and wtf with everyone saying 'it was 500 years in the past!' as if they were real and people didn't, you know, write the scripts.

[(Anonymous)]

STFU and quit badmouthing America.