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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Expecting mentally ill people to control themselves is stupid.

Yeah, NO.

Expecting other people to treat others with a basic level of respect is not unreasonable. I am a mentally ill person myself, and I would never, EVER use my mental illness to manipulate or hurt someone. There are, undoubtedbly, times when I am in danger of hurting myself, but even then, I have a modicum of control over my own actions. I take responsibility for myself and my actions. If I make a mistake, and unintentionally hurt someone, I want to know so I don't repeat that in future.

Some people DO have issues with social interaction, yes, but they should still be taught how to interact with other people respectfully. If they don't know these things, their life will be much, much more difficult. And there may be times their behaviour is hard for others to deal with - but even then, there is still a line between "this behaviour is difficult" and "this behaviour is bullying and abusive."

[(Anonymous)]

No broader than your brush painting ASD and psychosis as pretty much the same thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Except that she didn't do that? If I say that oranges and apples are both examples of fruit, I'm not saying that they're the same thing.

My goodness, you are on a hair trigger for taking offense.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe you wouldn't use your illness as an excuse to hurt others, but what about people whose illness is practically defined by hurting others - like sociopaths or sexual predators?

What about people who hurt others indirectly or unintentionally - people with anger issues, impulse control issues, addicts, compulsive liars, etc?

What about people who, through no fault of their own and despite their best efforts, are incapable of communicating in a way neurotypical people call "respectful"?

Self-control is a luxury for a lot of people. Not everyone is aware enough of their own behavior to know what needs to be stopped, not everyone is in a place where they can be receptive to suggestions to stop, and not everyone is in a place where they can put in the HARD work to change their behavior or work through it or whatever phrase you want to use. And if they are in a place where they're ready, willing, and able to change? It's HARD work. People struggle for YEARS to gain clarity and insight into why they do what they do - and this isn't limited to the mentally ill or non-neurotypical.

[(Anonymous)]

Well no, obviously you can't expect a pathological sexual predator or something to control their behavior when it stems from a chemical inability to stop hurting people. That's why they need to be locked up for the safety of others, not "ignored" like the sorts of behaviors op of the thread is talking about. That kind of shit can't be ignored and some of the stuff you've listed can ruin other peoples' lives.

Whereas someone with psychotic symptoms is usually a danger mostly just to themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

That obviously when people say you shouldn't use your mental illness as an excuse to hurt people, they're not talking about psychopathic rapists or something, because those people shouldn't be around others to begin with? And being a danger to other people shouldn't be conflated with "mental illness in general".

It's not just "Expecting mentally ill people to control themselves is stupid" or "all mentally ill people can control themselves".

[diet_poison]

The problem with that line of thinking is that people have a right not to be hurt by the kinds of behaviors you've listed. If they cannot learn to control themselves, they should be confined.

Mostly here though we're talking about milder stuff, I think - stuff that people can learn to control. It's understandable that it may be really hard for some people, but they aren't entitled to using other people as a verbal or emotional punching bag while they figure it out. If someone is getting a lot of negative feedback from their online peers for being a bully, manipulative, or otherwise hurtful, they need to log off for a little while and seek help.