[ SECRET POST #2695 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2695 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Dana International is a living, breathing human being.

Conchita Wurst is a fictional person and the name alone should have the alarm bells ringing.

[(Anonymous)]

I do wonder, if Dana International's win had come around now what people would have said. An MTF woman winning, but she's from Israel, the Land of Evil Apartheid and the Seventh Circle of Hell.

Then again, it does annoy me when people act like Conchita's win is something super new because like you said, Dana International. And she is truly trans.

[(Anonymous)]

It is kinda new, though. Dana International may have been MTF but by the point she won she was a woman presenting as a woman. Conchita Wurst is outside the established gender binary.

(As an aside, I'm not sure what it says about me, but I'm of two minds about Dana International's win. Logically I understand why it was such a big deal; but I also can't help but think "why does it matter what she was born as? she's a woman" -- or at least wish it didn't matter.)

[(Anonymous)]

The secret doesn't say anything about Dana International, so what are you even trying to say? That not namedropping her whenever you talk about Conchita Wurst is a problem all by itself?

[(Anonymous)]

And the point goes "whoosh!" over your head.

(Also oh god, is this about the "her name is a dick joke" thing? The thing she's repeatedly explained was unintentional? That thing?)

DA

[(Anonymous)]

I assumed her name was a dick joke until I heard the real explanation of it, but I never saw it as an offensive joke. Why is stating "Hey remember, I'm a lady with a dick" more offensive than saying "Hey look, I'm a lady with a beard"?

Cynical AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Any port in a storm? (Or in other words, any justification for hate they could possibly find, no matter how shallow, no matter how poorly it holds up to any sort of actual scrutiny?)

IDK, apparently it's transphobic somehow, because... your guess is as good as mine.

The best ones, though, are the ones who dug deep enough to figure out that "Conchita" is, as a proper name, a diminutive of "Concepción", which refers to the Immaculate Conception, and skipped riiiiiiiight to making the name as a whole mean "The Virgin Mary's Sausage". Blasphemy! Misogyny! *clutches pearls*

First anon

[(Anonymous)]

1. I didn't even watch ESC this year, and I honestly didn't know that the name thing was unintentional. The only thing I can say to that is wow, talk about bad luck.

2. I don't find the name offensive, but I DID think it was a joke about the gender barriers Conchita shatters by her mere existence. It's essentially a lady with a beard who calls herself Pussy Dick. That isn't the kind of character that normally demands to be taken seriously.

3. Which, yes, is my problem with the way tumblr worships her: An openly gay man just won the Eurovision Song Contest in a dress. Shouldn't we be celebrating that, instead of treating his drag persona as if she was a real human being?

Re: First anon

[(Anonymous)]

Re: #1 Yeah, completely unintentional. Got "Conchita" from a Cuban friend, and "Wurst" from a German expression "that is sausage", meaning "that is unimportant", the intent being that it's who you are that matters, not what you look like, where you're from, your race, etc. And a couple hours after her win there were already people pointing to the accidental dick joke as proof she is, supposedly, transphobic.

Re: #3 though, considering the following are direct quotes from interviews:

"She's very real."

"I always say that I lived though a second puberty as Conchita. To put it as simply as possible: I think that this always was there, and that I went through a process of development until I breathed life into the woman with beard. I think one of my first memories is, when my grandmother said to my mother, I was like, 4 or 5 at the time I think: "Just let her go out in the skirt already, or we’ll never be done here".

[Interviewer: Which one do you prefer?] "I need both." [Depending on the moment?] "Yes, and I also notice that when I spend a lot of time in the studio, or don’t have any public appearances for a while, I start missing all of this. Just like I get fed up with her, I also get fed up with him."

"Conchita covers so many of my needs. Not only because I feel more free on stage, or because I am able to convey my message more easily; it is also because of some trivial things like I love to wear high heels or I love to paint my face or have my makeup done, and that is very much what is my truth."

I dunno, doesn't sound to me as just a drag persona. Yeah, she's not actually trans, she's just dressing up, but it feels to me there's more than just the performance.

There's also the fact that -- and this was also openly said in interviews -- she prefers Tom to remain strictly as a private person, and Conchita as the public one. For Conchita to be real, or at least "real enough", is clearly what she wants, so why is that happening a problem?