[ SECRET POST #324 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #324 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 09 pages, 210 secrets from Secret Submission Post #047.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, [ 1 ] not!secrets, 0 not!fandom.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Monday, November 26th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[penguinfaery.livejournal.com]

Didn't you just sorta prove their point about people being hostile and all?

I don't particularly like Cameron (I don't hate her either, I don't actually care enough) but them saying "I don't like her" and you giving a mini essay (with pictures!) about how great she is, assumptions about why they said what they did and all, certainly turned me off another degree.

[enfeebledchi.livejournal.com]

I will admit that I am hostile towards Cameron haters.

[penguinfaery.livejournal.com]

Then you ttly made their point.

[enfeebledchi.livejournal.com]

Yes, I made their point that Cameron fans are hostile. (Maybe because both Huddy and H/W shippers insult her at every opportunity?)

But they also say she is a bad character and ugly. Not true.

[penguinfaery.livejournal.com]

Ugly is a subjective thing, so it can't be true or false.

And they didn't say she was a BAD character, they said she was a character they didn't like. There's a difference.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

I don't see any real hostility here, just polite dissent.

[penguinfaery.livejournal.com]

I dunno, I think three paragraphs and a picture collage goes past polite dissent into, maybe not hostility but assuredly past what I'd consider normal, polite disagreeing.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Except presenting an argument =\= having an argument despite nomenclature.

[penguinfaery.livejournal.com]

Presenting an argument seems a lot less confrontational then what she posted, in this setting and context.

Since even she admitted she was feeling hostile, I don't quiet see what you're getting at.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Only that I see no hostility coming from her at all. No passage in her argument contained any direct or indirect insult or even hint of rudeness =\

Then again, 50% of LJ fandom seems overly meek compared to the rest of internet (while the other 50% scares the piss out of me).

[penguinfaery.livejournal.com]

I don't think it was so much that what she said was rude so much as pointedly overkill. Like...for example, if you're friend said they hated pink, and the next week you showed up wearing nothing but pink, as oppose to just being like "Oh, I do."

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

I... don't find that comparable at all, because she basically said, "I do" with an explanation because characters are far more complex than colors and deserve such, then posted a few unobtrusive icons as a backup for her own subjective, "She's pretty" bit.

pssst *your friend ;)

[penguinfaery.livejournal.com]

Yes, but the OP of the secret, being in fandom, one can easily assume, has already heard most of those arguments (As nothing she said was news to ME and I'm not in the fandom) and we can probably assume KNOWS what she looks like. It wasn't even like she dug up some uncommon picture of her or something that was different from what the OP would have seen. Her "I do" was three paragraphs long, with what...10 pictures? I call that overkill. And intentional overkill, as she's had her feathers ruffled by one to many Cameron hater. (Which, given most fandoms, is probably a valid frustration, but I still don't think what she did was a great way to deal with it)

And since the OP of the comment admitted she was being hostile, despite you not seeing it, it obviously was there. Maybe it's just a type of hostility I'm use to seeing and you're not or something.

[parron.livejournal.com]

I--butting in!--agree with penguinfaery, I think. It's not difficult to say, "I disagree, I like Cameron." And it's not wrong to use several paragraphs to explain your opinion, either (else I'd be in trouble too, haha). The problem is in her tone, I think. enfeebledchi listed various subjective things she likes about Cameron ("adorably imperfect", etc.), while listing things the flaws of the other characters (with sarcastic commentary). She also decides that the OP must dislike Cameron because she's in the way of House/Wilson slash, which... I don't remember seeing in the secret (the secret said that they didn't ship the pairing, in fact).

It's not that she's not allowed to post a defense of a character--far from it! It's just the tone she took--self righteous to a degree and overly defensive. Cameron is at least as flawed as the rest of the cast, yet in the defense comment, enfeebledchi glossed over Cameron's flaws and only highlighted those of the people around her. All of it together, to me, leads to a rather hostile, petty sounding comment... It's difficult for me to find the words to explain clearly what I mean, but I hope you get the gist, at least...?

ETA: ah, spelling, love of my life.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

No, I agree that she was being defensive, but hostility is aggression, and I don't see any of that here.

I think it's not so much that I'm not seeing it as I am used to real hostility on a much different style of forum (eg, Encyclopedia Dramatica etc).

[parron.livejournal.com]

It was just the tone on top of the defensive -- she was defensive, and automatically made assumptions about the OP (that he/she was a slash fan or a house/cuddy fan, that he/she was thick for not realizing the pretty of Cameron, and in the above comment thread, that Cameron fans were only hostile because House/Wilson and House/Cuddy fans insult Cameron all the time, blah blah). I guess she wasn't outright aggressive, but to me, there was a definite unfriendly edge to the whole thing. Like, "look how special and wonderful Cameron is, you guys are such idiots for not noticing, I'm only hostile because you drive me to it." Is that passive-aggressive, maybe...?

I don't mean to sound like I don't speak English. Eeesh.